Joe W.
>From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet at igc.org>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:15:53 -0400
>
>Hi,
>
>Let me try simpler declarative sentences.
>
>I agree that the election in 2000 was stolen through a variety of means.
>
>I do not believe all progressives are conspiracy theorists.
>
>I believe that evidence is not "out there" but can be found through
>substantive research.
>
>When evidence exists, it is a bad idea to spread claims for which there is
>no evidence.
>
>Just because a writer makes claims that fit your already exisiting notions,
>does not mean that writer has actually presented evidence.
>
>Credulous people who believe every anti-government allegation are not
>progressives, but are marching down the road toward right-wing populism and
>perhaps even fascism.
>
>This is a bad idea.
>
>When I see it, I criticize it.
>
>Hannah Arendt once commented that fascism involved a dangerous confluence
>of cynicism and credulity.
>
>I like Arendt's work.
>
>Progressives should read her work more often.
>
>-Chip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Wanzala [mailto:jwanzala at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tue 10/14/2003 2:27 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
>
>
>
>
> It is an oft repeated truism in left circles that 'Bush & Co. stole the
>2000
> election.' I suppose this makes all progressives conspiracy theoriets. As
>to
> evidence, the evidence is 'out there' Mr. Berlet.
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60563,00.html
>
>
> >From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet at igc.org>
> >Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> >To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> >Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
> >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:51:47 -0400
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I did not say that and I do not think that. What I said was that
> >particular article was a lot of hot air with little evidence and lots of
> >conspiracist speculation. What I am asking for is less credulity and
>more
> >evidence.
> >
> >Chip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Willy Greenfields [mailto:filthydirtyunwashed at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tue 10/14/2003 1:39 PM
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Too much late night watching of Oliver Stone movies.
> > > The issue of flawed election vote tabulation is
> > > real. This conspiracist regurgitation of what is a
> > > staple in right-wing conspiracy sources is of little
> > > use in organizing against vote fraud.
> >
> > Are you saying that everyone who thinks that the 2000
> > election debacle was about interests as opposed to
> > technics ('vote tabulation') is a conspiracist loon?
> > Your dismissive tone makes it tough for some of us
> > movie-goers to tell.
> >
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