On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:59:27 -0600 Stephen E Philion <philion at hawaii.edu>
writes:
> Without a photo from the air, like this,
> http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/1653683.php
> and a grid that is then extrapolated, it's all guesswork based on
> adding up
> how many came on the Kim Il Sung Bus Co. and such.
>
> --I quite disagree. No matter your feelings toward IAC, Kim SungIl,
> Stalin, etc...Newsday was a bit more scientific in their estimation
> process than 'looking at a photo from the air'... It's one thing to
>
> argue that IAC does everything wrong without being able to do
> anything
> better than their formula for drawing crowds of protestors. But to
> argue that there was only 10K protestors in DC by virtue of
> impressions
> from crowd scans on CSPAN when newspapers like Newsday count much
> higher numbers (and last I checked Newsday doesn't owe any of their
> surplus accumulation capacities to Messers. Kim or Stalin) is really
>
> not remotely rational. It just further reinforces the impression
> that
> sour grapes are at work in your and Chuck's 'estimations'...
I get the suspicion that Chuck would rather see the antiwar movement fail than for groups like ANSWER and IAC to ever be given credit for having done anything right. I remember when 35 years ago, the noted anarchist, Murray Bookchin, criticized the Marxist-Leninist organizations of the time, arguing that they would rather see an action fail than for it to escape their control. It seems to me that Chuck and some of his fellow anarchists have fallen into the same trap that Bookchin was attacking Marxists for falling into 35 years ago.
Jim F.
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