[lbo-talk] Parecon Discussion...

Michael Albert sysop at ZMAG.ORG
Tue Sep 23 10:41:59 PDT 2003



> in regards to art who decides what socially desirable labor
> is? i mean the short stop analogy doesn't apply because
> 'good' or 'bad' art is way more subjective than being a good
> or bad shortstop. also you mentioned in a FAQ somewhere where
> the criteria 'making art for ones self' is deemed undesirable
> as far as socially desiable labor goes....who would decide
> what is for whom etc.? or how is it decided? in many senses
> one is likely to get 100 different opinions from 100
> different people about what socially desirable art is.

I don't think so...because it looks more like this -- how much sustenance is there, form society, for art -- and, more narrowly, for different art institutions....which have product....

Within that -- then -- who gets to be the artists? Whoever the art institutions hire.

It is like physicists -- society will give so much of the social product to get physics -- universities and labs will employ the physicists. Hiring is done by the institutions, in light of their budgets.

This is like, how much sustenance is there, from society, for airlines, or bicycles, or whatever.

All these cases are unique -- but the general issue is quite similar. And judging is similar too -- most people who might want some part of the social product going to physics certainly aren't going to judge who is on staff...etc.


> because it seems to me like say a majority vote would work at
> all in this area. for ex say the majority decided Chomskys
> writing isn't socially desirable labor. or would a market
> determine that?

There is no majority vote...nothing that has anything to do with anything like that.

Not a market, an allocation system -- participatory planning.

So there would be, say, South End Press, and Z Magazine, etc. etc. -- institutions where chomsky writers -- for which he in part works...and they would either get a budget, or not.

More, society can decide, certainly, it wants x amoung alloted to dissidence -- I think a good one will -- and then that is assessed to various dissident institutions, and so on.


> also a seperate question: would there be say competing widget
> factorys etc. or just one widget factory supplying a certain area?

There might be more than one -- if two smaller makes more sense than one larger -- but they do not compete. Nor do they hide innovations, etc. etc.

Income is for effort and sacrifice for socially valuable labor -- no one has any desire or incentive to trick anyone into consuming what won't benefit them, nor for for accruing more "Customers" when they would be better interacting with firms elsewhere.



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