"Right to Exist" ( Was Re: [lbo-talk] Re: Friedman)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 28 09:03:53 PDT 2003


Right now I'd been for any solution that promised an end to the violence. Ideally, I support a unified secular socialist society in Palestine/Israel -- achieved through nonviolent democratic means. So, yes, I oppose, in principle, a Jewish or any other ethnic/religious state. I am, as I said, an Enlightenment liberal. I'd live with one that wasn't aggressively oppressive and militaristic, though. jks

--- Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote:
> > But you use this expression to refer to the idea
> > that Israel has a right to maintain its
> > ethnic-religious character against the peaceful
> and
> > democratic determinations of the entire population
> > that Israel in fact governs.
>
> (I actually wasn't taking sides on the question; I'm
> just reporting what
> is usually the response that I've heard to Joanna's
> statement ...)
>
> > do I believe that Israel has right to maintain its
> > charcter as a Jewish state while ruling over a
> > non-Jewish majority whose rights it denies and
> which
> > is makes second class citizens? No, I don't.
>
> I'm just saying that "one state" plus "right of
> return" is almost
> certainly a recipe for either apartheid or the
> dismantling of what is
> currently the State of Israel. I'm just wondering
> if Joanna (and I
> guess now you too) agree that it's the right way to
> go.
>
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