[lbo-talk] biz ethics/slavery/groups/constitutional

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 29 15:30:43 PDT 2004


Well, there is some disagreement about that, which is why we are on the sides of respective fences we are on.

Venezuala is a different story: I'd put that in the liberal proceduralist column. They havea multiparty democracy, a fair amount of free speech, and decide on policies by majority vote -- sometimes with a lot of popular involvement. That's not how it is in Cuba or Vietnam. Or China or North Korea. jks

Charles Brown <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> wrote:

...and they are alternatives , acceptable alternatives to liberal proceduralism; they aren't tyranny or civil war and they are acceptable alternatives to liberal proceduralism.

CB

From: andie nachgeborenen

Of course you support that, Charles. That's why you're a Leninist and I'm a liberal!

Charles Brown wrote: From: andie nachgeborenen

Well, I will think about it. But your liberal proceduralism clearly has failed.

* * * There is no alternative. Really. None. No acceptable one. I mean, there's tyranny or civil war, but those are really bad ideas, don't you think?

^^^^

CB: I'm for what they got in Cuba, Viet Nam and Venezuela. I wouldn't call it liberal proceduralism.

I like the changes that the Civil War made in the U.S. The ends justified the procedure

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