[lbo-talk] The end of warfare?

joanna bujes jbujes at covad.net
Tue Dec 21 09:03:51 PST 2004


No, they wanted to win both times. Viet Nam was a loss and everyone knew it. If it were not a loss, there would have been no syndrome to recover from.

Iraq will be a loss too. Not only that, it may take the U.S. economy down with it.

Joanna

Michael Dawson wrote:


>Isn't analysis of objectives the only proper basis for making good sense of
>wars? If so, then why talk like Vietnam was a loss for the U.S.? Sure, the
>elites would have loved to crush the country and wound up with ticker tape
>parades, but it was the crushing of the country that was the more important
>of the two aims, by far.
>
>Similar point about Iraq. The main strategic objective is to perpetuate
>irrational, undemocratic, fractious cultural politics in Oilsville. Sure,
>the U.S. would love to end up with ticker tape parades and a compliant and
>stable puppet regime, but it's the stirring of the pot that's the more
>important objective.
>
>End of warfare, my butt!
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
>>On Behalf Of Carl Remick
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:04 AM
>>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
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>>>From: joanna bujes <jbujes at covad.net>
>>>
>>>"Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War, Fallujah
>>>has still not let itself be "taken" to date. The mightiest military
>>>
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>>machine
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>>>in history has met its match. A turning point in military affairs? The
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>>end
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>>>of warfare, as practiced by the Americans - the application of
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>>overwhelming
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>>>force to obtain a victory?"
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>>I've seen this movie before. However clichéd it may be to compare Iraq to
>>Vietnam, the fact is that the US *is* acting out its fantasies of power in
>>Iraq in the same way it did in Vietnam, and once again it is getting its
>>tuchus handed to it. Unfortunately, the US didn't learn any lesson 30
>>years
>>ago and doesn't seem likely to learn any this time either. We'll just go
>>back to the lab for a few years to figure out more ingenious, spectacular
>>and "precise" ways to inflict pain and death, and presto, the US will be
>>out
>>democratizing the world again through main force better than ever.
>>
>>Carl
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