> -----Original Message-----
> From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> On Behalf Of joanna bujes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:04 AM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
>
> No, they wanted to win both times. Viet Nam was a loss and everyone knew
> it. If it were not a loss, there would have been no syndrome to recover
> from.
>
> Iraq will be a loss too. Not only that, it may take the U.S. economy
> down with it.
>
> Joanna
>
> Michael Dawson wrote:
>
> >Isn't analysis of objectives the only proper basis for making good sense
> of
> >wars? If so, then why talk like Vietnam was a loss for the U.S.? Sure,
> the
> >elites would have loved to crush the country and wound up with ticker
> tape
> >parades, but it was the crushing of the country that was the more
> important
> >of the two aims, by far.
> >
> >Similar point about Iraq. The main strategic objective is to perpetuate
> >irrational, undemocratic, fractious cultural politics in Oilsville.
> Sure,
> >the U.S. would love to end up with ticker tape parades and a compliant
> and
> >stable puppet regime, but it's the stirring of the pot that's the more
> >important objective.
> >
> >End of warfare, my butt!
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-
> talk.org]
> >>On Behalf Of Carl Remick
> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:04 AM
> >>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> >>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: joanna bujes <jbujes at covad.net>
> >>>
> >>>"Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War,
> Fallujah
> >>>has still not let itself be "taken" to date. The mightiest military
> >>>
> >>>
> >>machine
> >>
> >>
> >>>in history has met its match. A turning point in military affairs? The
> >>>
> >>>
> >>end
> >>
> >>
> >>>of warfare, as practiced by the Americans - the application of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>overwhelming
> >>
> >>
> >>>force to obtain a victory?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I've seen this movie before. However clichéd it may be to compare Iraq
> to
> >>Vietnam, the fact is that the US *is* acting out its fantasies of power
> in
> >>Iraq in the same way it did in Vietnam, and once again it is getting its
> >>tuchus handed to it. Unfortunately, the US didn't learn any lesson 30
> >>years
> >>ago and doesn't seem likely to learn any this time either. We'll just
> go
> >>back to the lab for a few years to figure out more ingenious,
> spectacular
> >>and "precise" ways to inflict pain and death, and presto, the US will be
> >>out
> >>democratizing the world again through main force better than ever.
> >>
> >>Carl
> >>
> >>
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