[lbo-talk] The end of warfare?

[double bluff]

moreover, this war seems very likely to backfire even from Michael' 
point of view: arab nationalism born exactly as a reaction to western 
imperialism, and iraqis are very aware of this aspect of their political 
history. In this sense, they do not seem likely to play like puppets one 
against the other according the will of US, whoever will gain the power 
there.
Anyway, the Vietnam syndrome helped to keep relatively quiet the US for 
a couple of decades, so I would hope a similar effect for this 
experience (that would be the only possible positive effect for everybody).

joanna bujes wrote:


> No, they wanted to win both times. Viet Nam was a loss and everyone 
> knew it. If it were not a loss, there would have been no syndrome to 
> recover from.
>
> Iraq will be a loss too. Not only that, it may take the U.S. economy 
> down with it.
>
> Joanna
>
> Michael Dawson wrote:
>
>> Isn't analysis of objectives the only proper basis for making good 
>> sense of
>> wars?  If so, then why talk like Vietnam was a loss for the U.S.?  
>> Sure, the
>> elites would have loved to crush the country and wound up with ticker 
>> tape
>> parades, but it was the crushing of the country that was the more 
>> important
>> of the two aims, by far.
>>
>> Similar point about Iraq.  The main strategic objective is to perpetuate
>> irrational, undemocratic, fractious cultural politics in Oilsville.  
>> Sure,
>> the U.S. would love to end up with ticker tape parades and a 
>> compliant and
>> stable puppet regime, but it's the stirring of the pot that's the more
>> important objective.
>>
>> End of warfare, my butt!
>>
>>  
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org 
>>> [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Carl Remick
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:04 AM
>>> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>>> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> From: joanna bujes <jbujes at covad.net>
>>>>
>>>> "Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War, 
>>>> Fallujah
>>>> has still not let itself be "taken" to date. The mightiest military
>>>>     
>>>
>>> machine
>>>   
>>>
>>>> in history has met its match. A turning point in military affairs? The
>>>>     
>>>
>>> end
>>>   
>>>
>>>> of warfare, as practiced by the Americans - the application of
>>>>     
>>>
>>> overwhelming
>>>   
>>>
>>>> force to obtain a victory?"
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I've seen this movie before.  However clichéd it may be to compare 
>>> Iraq to
>>> Vietnam, the fact is that the US *is* acting out its fantasies of 
>>> power in
>>> Iraq in the same way it did in Vietnam, and once again it is getting 
>>> its
>>> tuchus handed to it.  Unfortunately, the US didn't learn any lesson 30
>>> years
>>> ago and doesn't seem likely to learn any this time either.  We'll 
>>> just go
>>> back to the lab for a few years to figure out more ingenious, 
>>> spectacular
>>> and "precise" ways to inflict pain and death, and presto, the US 
>>> will be
>>> out
>>> democratizing the world again through main force better than ever.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
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