Iraq: to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East and to destroy the possiblity of secular democracy in the region.
Joanna
Michael Dawson wrote:
>What was the central war objective in Vietnam? Iraq?
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>>On Behalf Of joanna bujes
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>>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
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>>No, they wanted to win both times. Viet Nam was a loss and everyone knew
>>it. If it were not a loss, there would have been no syndrome to recover
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>>Iraq will be a loss too. Not only that, it may take the U.S. economy
>>down with it.
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>>Joanna
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>>Michael Dawson wrote:
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>>>Isn't analysis of objectives the only proper basis for making good sense
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>>>wars? If so, then why talk like Vietnam was a loss for the U.S.? Sure,
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>>>elites would have loved to crush the country and wound up with ticker
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>>>parades, but it was the crushing of the country that was the more
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>>>of the two aims, by far.
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>>>Similar point about Iraq. The main strategic objective is to perpetuate
>>>irrational, undemocratic, fractious cultural politics in Oilsville.
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>>Sure,
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>>>the U.S. would love to end up with ticker tape parades and a compliant
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>>>stable puppet regime, but it's the stirring of the pot that's the more
>>>important objective.
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>>>End of warfare, my butt!
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>>>>From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-
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>>>>On Behalf Of Carl Remick
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:04 AM
>>>>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>>>>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] The end of warfare?
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>>>>>From: joanna bujes <jbujes at covad.net>
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>>>>>"Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War,
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>>Fallujah
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>>>>>of warfare, as practiced by the Americans - the application of
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>>>>I've seen this movie before. However clichéd it may be to compare Iraq
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>>>>Vietnam, the fact is that the US *is* acting out its fantasies of power
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>>>>Iraq in the same way it did in Vietnam, and once again it is getting its
>>>>tuchus handed to it. Unfortunately, the US didn't learn any lesson 30
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>>>>ago and doesn't seem likely to learn any this time either. We'll just
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>>>>and "precise" ways to inflict pain and death, and presto, the US will be
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>>>>democratizing the world again through main force better than ever.
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>>>>Carl
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