[lbo-talk] LTOV/LTOP (Was plagiarism watch)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 23 19:14:03 PST 2004



>
> So, in your universe, what DOES Marx base socialism
> (sommunism -is that a
> typo) on?

Maximization of freedom. If you like I can send you my paper What's Wrong With Exploitation, Nous 1995, nancly Ho;lmstrom ans JeffReiman have papers aeguing closely related points.

Why did Marx think the labor v. labor
> power distinction was so
> crucial?

Because it is useful in explaining the origin of profit and the operation of the fcatory sstem. Its moral significance lies in its intersection with the value of freedom: coercion through deprivcation of property subjects workers to dominatuon on the fcatory floor, thus enhancing alienation. Theft and property rights have nothing to do wuth it.

If workers' labor creates no special claim
> over labor's product,
> why does this distinction matter?

See above.


>
> And you are misusing Marx's retort about labor
> creating all value, as I
> earlier said. Repeating the citation's existence
> doesn't alter the point
> that nature and human labor are the only two sources
> of human wealth.

Right, now you have conceded Marx's point, labor is not the source of all wealth, and you have only to take the next step that he did, that it's dumb to think that having created something gives you a property right to it.

jks

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