[lbo-talk] LTOV/LTOP (Was plagiarism watch)

Michael Dawson mdawson at pdx.edu
Thu Dec 23 21:54:51 PST 2004



> > So, in your universe, what DOES Marx base socialism
> > (sommunism -is that a
> > typo) on?
>
> Maximization of freedom.

Citation from Marx?


> Why did Marx think the labor v. labor
> > power distinction was so
> > crucial?
>
> Because it is useful in explaining the origin of
> profit and the operation of the fcatory sstem. Its
> moral significance lies in its intersection with the
> value of freedom: coercion through deprivcation of
> property subjects workers to dominatuon on the fcatory
> floor, thus enhancing alienation. Theft and property
> rights have nothing to do wuth it.

What is "deprivation of property," if property rights have nothing to do with it?


> > And you are misusing Marx's retort about labor
> > creating all value, as I
> > earlier said. Repeating the citation's existence
> > doesn't alter the point
> > that nature and human labor are the only two sources
> > of human wealth.
>
> Right, now you have conceded Marx's point, labor is
> not the source of all wealth, and you have only to
> take the next step that he did, that it's dumb to
> think that having created something gives you a
> property right to it.

Again, where's the Marx citation on that one?



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