-- Luke
--On Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:30 PM -0500 Liza Featherstone <lfeather at panix.com> wrote:
> Of course he is probably lying about being against gay marriage and for
> civil unions - which is what he actually said- the likely truth is that he
> really doesn't care about the difference, or doesn't want to get creamed
> by the right over it. He voted against DOMA, and hardly anyone did that.
> Even Paul Wellstone voted for DOMA. Then again, if Kerry was in some
> weird secret way opposed to gay marriage and still voted against DOMA
> because, as he said at the time, it was ugly hateful politics, that's
> actually pretty principled and almost admirable. (Did Ralph Nader at some
> point say he was against gay marriage, in the 1996 campaign, or am I
> scurrilously hallucinating??)
>
> Kerry is a liberal. We'd like to live in a world where someone like him
> is a conservative, but we don't. It's our job to make a world like that,
> and we haven't succeeded yet. But that goal isn't really advanced by
> worrying over the particular flaws of one liberal individual, and how he
> could be more liberal -- nothing much is accomplished by individuals
> anyway. we need to create the conditions under which someone better could
> become president, and since we're currently failing to do that, we are so
> lucky he isn't a whole lot worse! Someone like Kerry is as left as we're
> going to get from the DP at this point in history, and I frankly am
> astounded that he is going to get the DP nomination.
>
>
> Liza
>
> > From: "Michael Dawson -PSU" <mdawson at pdx.edu>
> > Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:40:59 -0800
> > To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Kerry: America First!
> >
> >> Do you have any evidence of
> >> Kerry's deep GOPness aside from a feeling?
> >>
> >> Doug
> >
> > It's mostly a gut reaction, I admit.
> >
> > Analytically, I think he's basically Dukakis II, actually: shitty
> > policies/staff preferences wrapped in a package tailor-made for the
> > Republicans to club down. On the outside, he's a Mass Lib. On the
> > inside, he's Bill Clinton -- a pathological liar and social climber
> > living out a JFK fantasy.
> >
> > About the lying part, does anybody really believe he's against gay
> > marriage, as he says today? That's bullshit -- and it's worse if it's
> > true, of course. But his willingness to lie about it rather than make
> > a stand shows what he'd do to the masses, in the extremely remote event
> > he wins the White House.
> >
> > As to hard evidence, the fact that he's not being trashed by the
> > DNC/DLC is pretty good. I believe I also read that, as an
> > undergraduate, he was a leader of a Yale movement to _oppose_ draft
> > resistance. And then there's Skull and Bones...
> >
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