[lbo-talk] algebra 101: was the evil ramsey and sodom

Stephen Philion philion at hawaii.edu
Mon Jan 5 10:24:01 PST 2004


chuck writes: Doug: I think you are trying to explain the obvious to some leftists who are in denial about public perception of activism. Perhaps if they got out more and mixed with normal people they would quickly grasp that public perception of activists is pretty damn important.

--actually i had lunch with doug a few months back, i didn't think either one of us was out to lunch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And you are write about this being ten times worse, because the right wing will run with the Ramsey Clark story and broadcast it from all of their radio shows, newspaper columns, and their TV network. All it takes is for Ramsey Clark to take up the case of Hussein and the right wing will tar and feather the anti-war movement without pause.

--they can tar and feather ramsey all they want...the iraqi resistance continues to kill american soldiers and it won't help a bit. otherwise, all bets are off, the antiwar movement better find another issue to rally around. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ramsey Clark does not work for the ACLU or independently, he is a prominent face of the American anti-war movement thanks to ANSWER's work and the stupidity of other activists in allowing them to stake out this position of hegemony over the movement.

---good thing kuntlser died. time to stop supporting lynne stewart i guess. --------------------------------------------------------------------------

The blithering myopia of the hard core leftists in the anti-war movement who just want "everybody to love each other" is going to doom the anti-war and peace movements to the margins for years to come.

---it's like a mad obsession, you can't imagine that the capacity of the american antiwar movement might have something to do with what's happening in Iraq, that maybe Iraqis are on the center stage of the antiwar movement, what you or ramsey clarke say doesn't really matter a tenth as much as that.... Impact of Iraqi resistance's continued ability to kill (not injure, injuries don't count) American soldiers----------9/10

What chuck or ramsey thinks or says: 1/10

= 10/10

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