[lbo-talk] words for the black community

Luke Weiger lweiger at umich.edu
Sun Jul 4 14:00:21 PDT 2004


----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu>


> You can't discuss racism (an ideology characterizing individuals in
> various ways and degrees) at all sensibly until you have first focused
> sharply and ambitiously on the objective condition of black people in
> the u.s., _independently_ of what anyone (black or white) "thinks" of
> blacks.

Well, gee, maybe "the objective condition of black people in the US" actually _isn't_ independent "of what anyone (black or white) 'thinks' of blacks." I believe KM himself acknowledged that ideology can be a material force in social relations. (I'll leave the question of whether such an acknowledgement leaves historical materialism indistinct from any other plausible theory of history to others.)

-- Luke



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