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----- Original Message ----- From: "snit snat" <snitilicious at tampabay.rr.com> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>; <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Re: cosby-mouth
: 50% drop out rate among blacks. That's an exagerration. It's 13% or so
: nationwide. See Doug's buddy's research, also.
:
: women marrying 5 husbands and having 8 kids and the problem of, um, what?
: sleeping with your grandpa. Huh? If you're MARRYING the guy, the famdamily
: will prolly know about who your grandpa is. What's his real problem? Why,
: oooooo noooooooooo. it's women sleeping around without marrying the guy
and
: choosing to have children. What does he care? Because it looks bad?
Because
: they end up on welfare? What welfare. Oh, wait, let's celebrate the white
: quintuplets and sextuplets had by people who can't afford them either.
: Whatever.
:
: Buying $500 sneakers instead of $200 educational software. WHERE'S COSBY'S
: EVIDENCE FOR THAT? heh.
:
: "Where you be at?" "Where you is?" Excuse me? These are somehow new
: locutions? And, it's pretty well know that those ways of speaking are
: actually connected to African language. It's hotly debated, but it's not
as
: if no one's ever discussed the issue before.
:
: that's off the top of my head.
:
: give me a break.
:
:
: At 10:35 AM 7/7/2004, R wrote:
: >dear LBO-talkers:
: >
: >with all this passionate back and forth about cosby over the past few
weeks,
: >with call the criticism of his lack of understanding of class issues,
: >marxism, his weaknesses in this regard, in that regard and etc. not one
: >person quoted anything he said in his speech to back up their criticisms.
: >everything was talking around cosby, over cosby, about cosby. but no one
: >cited anything the man actually said as an example of that they were
talking
: >about in his work and opinion.
: >
: >his speech was posted to LBO-talk but everyone ignored what he said in
favor
: >talking about him instead. if this were a university course, would your
: >prof -- tell me profs on LBO-talk and students -- accept papers written
in
: >this manner? without a single example from the author's work included in
: >the academic manuscript? without foundation from the actual material?
what
: >grade would you get?
: >
: >
: >sure there are plenty of sophistic excuses for not quoting him since you
all
: >have him figured out: you read him a couple of years ago; you know all
about
: >his type of commentary; your analyses were so insightful and accurate and
: >thought out that you didn't need to support them with actual detail from
: >what he said. but who can objectively affirm that?
: >
: >stephen and frank -- i'm not pickin' on you two guys because the rest of
the
: >postings were far worse -- found good reasons why the bigots in society
: >would "T" off on some of cosby's material but didn't say specifically
what
: >material was so the rest us could be ready with answers in case we ran
into
: >one of these bigots. unless frank cited material i missed.
: >
: >in this veritable nest of intellectuals, i'm amazed at all the opinions
: >about a guy whose speech nobody read, nobody cited. despite the fact his
: >speech was posted to LBO-talk right along with the very first posting
about
: >him.
: >
: >did anybody post a review about michael moore's new film without mention
a
: >single scene in any detail and that was a movie, not a speech. cosby's
: >speech was loaded with details and quotes.
: >
: >please correct me if i'v wronged some one by missing a quote they've
posted
: >and discussed. but that doesn't excuse all this who failed to cit the
: >material, leaving every idea and suggest cosby brought up in limbo.
: >
: >tell me, is kind of commentary a habit of this board?
: >
: >R
: >
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Stephen E Philion" <philion at hawaii.edu>
: >To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
: >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:29 PM
: >Subject: [lbo-talk] Re: cosby-mouth
: >
: >
: >: frank wrote: there are two sad things about his outburst(s): 1) they
: >: deal with
: >: reality, at least a significant part of it, and 2) they are and will be
: >: used by white - and some black - shit heads to say "see, it's their own
: >: fault"...however...
: >:
: >:
: >: --Roger Simon did exactly no. 2 on his blog:
: >: http://rogerlsimon.com/archives/00001075.htm
: >:
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