[lbo-talk] Bohemian Grove

Chip Berlet cberlet at igc.org
Tue Jul 20 11:54:01 PDT 2004


Hi,

The fact that you cannot see the fascistic motif behind your song and dance only makes it more Chevalier than Brecht. Three pennies for your thoughts. But I still smell an Ophuls outcome.

Chip Berlet


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Wanzala [mailto:jwanzala at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:12 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Bohemian Grove
>
>
> Chip, you seem to be far too caught up in your own delusional
> fantasies that
> have nothing to do with what I said. I was merely commenting on the
> significance of a long article about the Bohemian Grove in
> the SF Chronicle
> posted by your boy, Doug H.
>
> Joe W.
>
>
> >From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet at igc.org>
> >Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> >To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> >Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Bohemian Grove
> >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:40:03 -0400
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joseph Wanzala [mailto:jwanzala at hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:49 AM
> > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Bohemian Grove
> > >
> >
> > > think it has to do with the way in which 'conspiracy
> politics' has
> > > moved from the margin of political discource toward the center
> > > since November
> > > 2000. I think there is simultaneously a growing public
> dread for and
> > > acknowledgement of the unofficial, even criminal, channels
> > > through which
> > > state power is exercised and subverted and a bizzare
> > > fascination with and
> > > veneration of it.
> >
> >This is a creepy echo of the fascist explanation of how power is
> >exercised in a "corrupt" society; and recalls the process in Weimar
> >Germany where anti-government populist politics was used to
> claim the
> >government was controlled by secret, criminal (Jewish) elites and
> >needed to be purged of its decadent and subversive elements.
> >
> >Of course, this masks how capitalism works, and creates
> scapegoats, and
> >displaces debate over actual structural, institutional, and systemic
> >changes to society that would benefit more people, but, what
> the heck,
> >think of the huge coalition when right and left join to fight the
> >corrupt regime!
> >
> >Somewhere Otto and Gregor Strasser are smiling.
> >
> >Joe, I realize you are sincere, but your political line is far more
> >likely to build a mass base for fascism than a mass base for
> >progressive movements.
> >
> >-Chip Berlet
> >
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