[lbo-talk] North Korea goes online

Yoshie Furuhashi furuhashi.1 at osu.edu
Tue Jul 27 11:05:46 PDT 2004


Wojtek Sokolowski sokol at jhu.edu, Tue Jul 27 09:11:09 PDT 2004:
>Chris wrote:
>>What I don't get is why North Koreans are putting this stuff on the
>>web in English. Are they unaware that it makes them look stupid?
>
>Well, the same can be said about American media and what they wrote
>about that brain dead puppet Ronald Reagan. They are as idiotic as
>the ones you quoted about Kim Jong Il. What is so appealing in
>making fun of North Korea and the likes but treating the mountains
>of incredible bullshit produced by the US with grave seriousness?
>
>Wojtek

I doubt that the North Korean website at www.kcckp.net will catch on, but at least one of North Korean net ventures turned out to be a huge success -- with South Koreans.

The North Korean gambling site www.jupae.com became reportedly "wildly popular with South Korean Internet users," who wanted not so much to gamble as to chat with North Koreans on its bulletin board:

The online bulletin board of an inter-Korean venture based in North Korea has become wildly popular with South Korean Internet users.

The site in question is a free board open to all users at www.jupae.com, a gambling site operated by North Koreans using South Korean technology and capital.

More than 14,000 messages have been posted on the bulletin board since May 2002, two months after the launch of the main site.

Most of them are written by South Koreans, excited by the fact that they can communicate with North Koreans online.

"Can you please tell us your MSN messenger address? I want to chat with a North Korean," wrote one user identified as Hanmoonki.

A site administrator replied offering their address and wishing the user a nice day.

These kind[s] of replies from administrators, who work in shifts 24 hours a day to answer questions even unrelated to their business, are another reason for the site's popularity.

"Do you think China is justified in claiming Koguryo as part of their history?" a user identified as Diadol asked.

"Of course not. For your reference on our position on the issue, look up at this past article at www.kcna.co.jp," an administrator answered.

Some 10 North Korean women, recent college graduates, manage the bulletin board from their office in Pyongyang, according to Kim Bum-hoon, president of Hoonnet, the South Korean company which set up the site jointly with the North.

"When we first proposed to North Koreans to set up an anonymous bulletin board open to non-members, the North said it was impossible. We convinced them by stressing the need to build up confidence," he said in an interview with Mediaonul, a weekly specializing in media news.

However, the site faces closure with South Korea's Unification Ministry set to revoke Hoonnet's license to do business in North Korea.

Ministry officials said this is because the company never got the approval from the government to run a gambling site, with its original plan confined to developing computer software.

Hoonnet maintains that the Unification Ministry knew of its plans to open the gambling site beforehand, and is petitioning to keep the site open for the sake of inter-Korean relations.

Articles by Internet users hoping to keep the communication channel with North Koreans are flooding the site.

In addition to salvaging the site, an Internet newspaper specializing in IT, www.inews24.com, has kicked off a campaign to legalize inter-Korean communications on the Internet, called "Cyber One Korea."

The anti-communist National Security Law makes all contact with North Koreans illegal unless there is prior approval from the Unification Ministry, but that law has been lost in reality as Internet users have been surfing North Korean sites en masse.

"We know it's impossible to investigate all of those who logged on the site," a police official said in an interview with Donga.com, a news portal. (Seo Soo-min, "NK Online Gambling Site Sparks Interest," The Korea Times, January 19, 2004)

It is encouraging to hear so many South Koreans wishing to have conversations with North Koreans, despite the legacy of draconian anticommunist repression in South Korea. Unfortunately, the South Korean government "cancel[led] [Hoonnet's] legal rights for the inter-Korean business altogether," as "the company did not abide by a government order to close down the website," and it "also decided to block access to the gambling site www.Jupae.com and take legal action against South Koreans using it and sending money to the North," according to an article on GamblingLicenses.com (January 10, 2004).

<http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/cyber-one-korea.html>

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com, Tue Jul 27 10:11:29 PDT 2004:
>Except that the NK site is targeting a foreign audience. The US
>media was targeting Americans.

Washington has created and maintained a number of media, both in English and other languages, that target foreign audiences: e.g., Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Marti, Radio Sawa, Al Hurra, etc.

Apparently, Washington's propaganda machine has not worked well lately: "In Zogby's 2002 survey, 76 percent of Egyptians had a negative attitude toward the United States, compared with 98 percent this year. In Morocco, 61 percent viewed the country unfavorably in 2002, but in two years, that number has jumped to 88 percent. In Saudi Arabia, such responses rose from 87 percent in 2002 to 94 percent in June" (Dafna Linzer, "Poll Shows Growing Arab Rancor at U.S.," <em>Washington Post</em>, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7080-2004Jul22">July 23, 2004</a>, p. A26).

What is crucial in the context of this thread is South Koreans' opinions about America and North Korea. "Changing Korean Perceptions of the Post-Cold War Era and the U.S.-ROK Alliance" (<a href="http://www.eastwestcenter.org/stored/pdfs/api067.pdf">April 2003</a>) reveal that South Koreans have more positive attitudes toward North Korea than the USA. For instance, see Table 1 on the second page of the essay, and you'll find that 47.4% of South Koreans have a positive image of North Korea, but only 37.2% of them see the USA in a positive light. A mere 15.6% of South Koreans have a negative image of North Korea, but the majority -- 53.7% -- of them view the USA negatively.


>[lbo-talk] Overposting
>Doug Henwood dhenwood at panix.com, Mon Jul 26 20:23:11 PDT 2004
>
>Dennis Redmond wrote:
>
>>A plea: folks, can we please keep our contributions to three per day? (You
>>chronic overposters know who you are.) Three reasons: first, sorting
>>through all those messages is a pain on my clunky dialup. Second, many
>>non-US folks face high fees for web access, but their perspectives are
>>absolutely essential to the discussion. Third, new voices tend to get
>>overwhelmed.
>
>I've been away for a few days, and not checking in much, so I
>haven't been able to count posts. I'll be back tomorrow and get
>back to counting. A quick review shows about 12 posts from Michael
>Pugliese today, 9 from Chris Doss, 4 from Yoshie. The limit is 3.
>
>Doug

You must have invented the fourth post from me yesterday in your imagination: <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20040726/author.html#16439>. -- Yoshie

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