[lbo-talk] Support Nader in the Same Way as the Rope Supports a HangedMan

snit snat snitilicious at tampabay.rr.com
Thu Jun 24 14:55:36 PDT 2004


At 05:28 PM 6/24/2004, Carrol Cox wrote:


>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> >
> > >[lbo-talk] Kovel on Nader-Camejo
> > >Doug Henwood dhenwood at panix.com
> > >Thu Jun 24 11:51:26 PDT 2004
> > <snip>
> > >[All you Naderbots . . .
> >
> > I haven't called anyone on the opposite side of the DP vs. GP or
> > Kerry vs. DP debate a "DPbot" or "Kerrybot." I'd expect the same
> > courtesy from you, especially since you are the moderator, thus
> > setting the rules of discourse.
>
>I presume, like me, Yoshie is working with people (and has e-mail
>friends around the country) who are supporting Kerry, which is one of
>the reasons both of us (on various lists) have tried to stay reasonably
>civil on the question. (I slipped on a couple posts but I don't remember
>which list.) We certainly haven't called Kerry supporters traitors to
>people's united front or whatever.
>
>Whichever candidate wins, everyone who has any left tendencies whatever
>needs to go to work next January to get the troops out of Iraq. We
>should try not to make such cooperation too difficult then.

Yoshie, however, has consistently used ad hominem arguments against her opponents in these debates. She suggests that they are reactionaries, or that they're more rightwing than the current crowd in the WH, or says that they are people who don't actually _do_ anything to support a left social movement, hence they have crappy politics. In general, she tends to like to paint you as subscribing to something not so nice in order to avoid answering your argument or to poison the wells.

That kind of talk is far more destructive than mere name calling which is not necessarily ad hominem.

Kelley

"We're in a fucking stagmire."

--Little Carmine, 'The Sopranos'



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