Doug Henwood wrote:
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> Ted Winslow wrote:
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> >It's torture for fun, torture as an end in itself, that's at issue Michael.
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> Who made that the issue? That's a pretty weird transformation.
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> Doug
Michael made it an issue by quoting a reference by Aristotle to torture serving a practical end. Ted is merely point out that in the present case the torture was not for a purpose beyond itself (extorting information, gaining a confession, etc) but for its own sake, as pleasure.
Carrol