[lbo-talk] The First Time as Farce, the Second Time as Tragedy

Yoshie Furuhashi furuhashi.1 at osu.edu
Sat May 15 14:38:34 PDT 2004


Ted Winslow egwinslow at rogers.com, Sat May 15 09:26:56 PDT 2004, [lbo-talk] The First Time as Farce, the Second Time as Tragedy:
>Yoshie made use of an idea from:
>>"The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon," 1852
>
>The Eighteenth Brumaire makes the insightful claim that "the state
>power is not suspended in air." To apply this to the analysis of
>likely similarities and differences between Kerry and Bush versions
>of "state power," you need to examine the kind of self-consciousness
>that would underpin each, don't you?

The comparison I made in the posting is between Clinton and Kerry.

Jon Johanning jjohanning at igc.org, Sat May 15 14:12:50 PDT 2004, [lbo-talk] Bush as the lesser imperialist evil:
>On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 06:39 PM, Joseph Wanzala wrote:
>>The idea is not that the worse things get the better. It is that we
>>have been stripped of so much that the opportunity cost of
>>reclaiming what we have lost and obtaining what we should have is
>>negligible.
>
>I'm sorry, but I don't understand this economic jargon --
>"opportunity cost," etc. -- so I'm not sure what you are saying.

Translation: The effort it takes to reclaim what the working class have lost and the effort it takes to obtain what we should have is negligible.

John Lacny jlacny at earthlink.net, Sat May 15 07:13:18 PDT 2004, [lbo-talk] Roy on Indian election:
>As you know, I am a firm advocate of stopping the worst abuses of
>the system, but where I think people like Roy go off the tracks is
>in their elevation of "resistance" into the highest form of
>political activity.

Those who support the Democratic Party and the like to stop "the worst abuses of the system" are thinking in the same way as those who elevate "'resistance' into the highest form of political activity." -- Yoshie

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