Wow that much vitriol for suggesting a tactical vote in the swing states.
Look if you don't have an electoral base that can be mobilized and you want to play electoral politics then you better get one. That requires taking over local positions from the dog catcher to the mayors office, building a left electoral network, then taking on the DP either as a power in your own right or as a ginger group inside the DP.
BUT in this election you have nothing, except of course in the role of spoiler. Like I said, ultimately it is better to have Kerry unleashing the hounds on the Left then Bush. Why, because it helps demonstrate the need for a left electoral force outside of the DP. IF Bush wins you bolster the DP's appeal to the left. If you at all think the ANYBODY BUT BUSH is a rapid slogan now, you just wait and see how effective it will be four years from now if the RP wins again.
By the way Kerry wont be urinating in my face cause my parents followed the anywhere but America slogan and moved north in the late 60s. We have a social democratic party up here, so if you moved you could avoid all that agonising work of organizing a coherent and effective left political party.
Travis
> Sorry Travis, but you're ignorant. Too bad you've joined the gang of
> political cowards beating up on us independents instead of our rulers:
>
> The DP has no particular "Hold" on the left. What it has is a monopoly,
> along with the repubs, on the executive.
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> ACTUALLY, both parties exercise a monopoly over all the state
> institutions, by which they certainly exercise a "hold" over the American
> political world, including most of the Left. Witness their cowardly
> obsequiety.
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> Given this fact, in situations
> such as the present presidential election the question becomes solely
> about
> which choice presents the greatest degrees of manoeuvre for the left and
> its
> activists.
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> Uh, 'manoeuvre'? Or did you mean 'manure'? Tell us about that while
> President Kerry relieves his bladder in your face.
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> If Kerry wins by a slim margin the left (its electoral votes)
> becomes a key player.
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> Oh, puullleeaze, don't make me laugh! ACTUALLY, the "postGingrich"
> Congressional Far Right becomes the key player, seeing how the Dems don't
> have a chance in hell of gaining the majority, now do they? And you can't
> blame that on Nader, either, suckers.
>
> At best, all the Left can do is unelect a President Kerry. In which case,
> why elect him in the first place? Unless this is some clever
> Machievellian scheme to "paralyze the system", in which case, why not just
> say so? I'd support you then!
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> If Bush wins the whole nature of the game shifts.
> The QUESTION is not about which candidate will give more goodies to the
> left, but rather, which President will pay a higher price for acting
> bellicose towards the left.
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> Well certainly Kerry will pay a higher price - see above (loop ad
> infinitum, morons)
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> Now this is the scenario that Yoshie refuses to
> engage only because Yoshie maintains that there is no difference. Say it
> as
> many times as you like but it does not make it so.
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> Sheeesh, understand the difference between a difference in FUNCTION
> (admittedly a PoMo forbidden word, but fuck'em) and a difference in
> RESULT. But in fact there has been a difference in result, an ever
> RIGHTWARD difference over the last quarter century.
>
> Remember when ther was nothing worse than Reagan? Well there was:
> GWBush. And after a Kerry Presidency, there'll be even something worse
> then the 'W'. Mark my words.
>
> -Brad Mayer
>
> Travis
>
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