[lbo-talk] a vision...

lweiger at umich.edu lweiger at umich.edu
Thu Nov 4 06:31:41 PST 2004


Hey, Michael--if it were that simple, Kerry's line that he's tired of Republicans talking about family values without valuing families would've won him the election. It didn't.

-- luke

Quoting Michael Dawson <MDawson at pdx.edu>:


> Hey, Luke -- Listen to Robert Reich, who quite clearly and easily explains
> that what your DP technocratic asshole candidates concede to call "the
> economy" and "health care" are actually the ultimate moral issues. There's
> an easy and obvious way to talk like this. It simply requires giving the
> middle finger to the DLC pricks who run this joke of a party.
>
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> Yea. Treating cultural issues as though they're epiphenomenal is a huge
> error,
> but there's no easy solution. We'd of found it by now if there was one.
>
> Quoting Jon Johanning <jjohanning at igc.org>:
>
> > Well, all of this exit poll excitement on the list shows that leftists
> > can be as irrational as rightists.
> >
> > People who make a business of polling (like the Mystery Pollster) say
> > over and over that exit polls are not to be used as predictors of the
> > results, and it seems that the exit polls were especially unsuited for
> > that purpose this time -- if you took them as predictors, they were
> > wildly inaccurate in favor of Kerry.
> >
> > As of this writing, it seems practically impossible for Kerry to get
> > Ohio; therefore, Bush is re-elected.
> >
> > Everyone should look at Meteor Blade's reflections this morning on
> > DailyKos.com: "Don't mourn; organize!" It's time to take a hard, sober
> > look at where we are and what to do about it.
> >
> > One thing exit polls can do is suggest why people voted the way they
> > did. It seems, from the analyses the TV gurus are making this morning,
> > that the most important issue was "moral values," where Bush clearly
> > triumphed, followed by economic issues (Kerry won there), Iraq (again,
> > Kerry won or did very well, because there was a lot of dissatisfaction
> > and disquiet about the Iraq situation), and terrorism (not so important
> > as the other issues, apparently, but an issue Bush got a lot of mileage
> > out of).
> >
> > It seems clear that the Left (both inside and outside the DP) will be
> > out of commission for quite a few years until it can figure out how to
> > neutralize the "values" issues (conservative religion, homophobia
> > (reduced but still active), "pro-life," etc.). There seems to be a very
> > large and (for now) immobile part of the country that resents secular
> > people, "latte drinkers," "liberals," etc. These folks yearn for
> > emotional security and will pay any price they need to to ignore
> > reality -- they have dug in their heels in support of a world-view that
> > we leftists consider delusional. We need to understand this fact and
> > figure out how to deal with it, or we will be outside in the political
> > cold for a very long time.
> >
> >
> > Jon Johanning // jjohanning at igc.org
> > __________________________________________________
> > It isn't that we believe in God, or don't believe in God, or have
> > suspended judgment about God, or consider that the God of theism is an
> > inadequate symbol of our ultimate concern; it is just that we wish we
> > didn't have to have a view about God. It isn't that we know that "God"
> > is a cognitively meaningless expression, or that it has its role in a
> > language-game other than fact-stating, or whatever. We just regret the
> > fact that the word is used so much.
> > - Richard Rorty
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