[lbo-talk] Jesus didn't exist....

[joanna bujes]

".There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and 
there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and 
nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi-- with the 
sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend 
shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth 
the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only 
just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the 
book of Cyril that, in that time, shall the third one..."

Joanna

Michael Dawson wrote:


>Oh, for god's sake.  There were messiahs every 10 feet in that epoch.  It
>was the local form of anti-imperialism.  What a dumb argument, at both
>levels.  For whom is there evidence of existence 2004 years ago?  And how do
>you expect to cut any ice with Christians this way?  This will only enrage
>them more.
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>On Behalf Of Mike Ballard
>Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:34 PM
>To: lbo lbo
>Subject: [lbo-talk] Jesus didn't exist....
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>>Most recently, in Gallup's February 19-21 poll, 45%
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>>chose "God created human beings pretty much in their
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>present form at 
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>>one time within the last 10,000 years or so," the
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>statement that 
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>>most closely describes biblical creationism. 
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>It's that 45% who must be targeted.  I suggest an
>historical materialist bomb under their foundations.
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>Best,
>Mike B)
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>Amazingly, the question of an actual historical Jesus
>rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of
>faith has so forcefully driven the minds of most
>believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the
>question of reliable evidence gets obscured by
>tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous
>claims. The following gives a brief outlook about the
>claims of a historical Jesus and why the evidence the
>Christians present us cannot serve as justification
>for reliable evidence for a historical Jesus.
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>ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
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>No one has the slightest physical evidence to support
>a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of
>carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims
>about Jesus derive from writings of other people.
>There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows
>Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.
>Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single
>contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All
>documents about Jesus got written well after the life
>of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors,
>people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from
>fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although
>one can argue that many of these writings come from
>fraud or interpolations, I will use the information
>and dates to show that even if these sources did not
>come from interpolations, they could still not serve
>as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply
>because all sources derive from hearsay accounts.
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>full: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm    
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>All four gospels are anonymous texts. The familiar attributions of the
>Gospels to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John come from the mid-second century and
>later and we have no good historical reason to accept these attributions.
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>-Steve Mason, professor of classics, history and religious studies at York
>University in Toronto (Bible Review, Feb. 2000, p. 36)
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>http://profiles.yahoo.com/swillsqueal
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