[lbo-talk] Re: Political Cartography

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 21 13:02:24 PST 2004


"F" for you, Carrol, please come see me after class. Obviously you haven't been paying attention to a thing Doug or I have said or written for over 15 years if you think either of us would confuse Swedish social democracy,a capitalist welfare state, with socialism. Though as I at least have often said, if we had what they have in Sweden (or France or Germany), we'd think the revolution was over and we'd won.

Do you really find this pedantic pedagogue personality you put on sometimes to be constructive or productive as a way of carrying on a conversation?

--- Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


>
>
> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >
> > Both Sweden and the US are capitalist
> dictatorships in
> > which the workers writhe under the iron heel of
> > capital. Right?
> >
>
> No, but both are capitalist nations, in which the
> welfare of workers
> depends on how much generosity they can force out of
> capitalists -- at
> which task Swedish workers have been a bit more
> successful (so far) than
> u.s. workers. I presume in a socialist society most
> or all of what we
> call welfare wouldn't have any special name. Calling
> a socialist state a
> welfare state is merely sloppy diction, not a
> political issue.
>
> Coming across such sloppy diction in a freshman
> theme one would
> underline it, scribble D? in the margin, and go on
> to more important
> things.
>
> Carrol
>
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