> -----Original Message-----
> From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> On Behalf Of Luke Weiger
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:56 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
>
> I don't think it's particularly hard to imagine circumstances in which a
> relatively benevolent occupying power would have to deal with the problem
> of
> insurgency. Suppose that the Germans had internalized Nazi norms to such
> a
> degree that they were willing to fight for fascism even after the state
> had
> collapsed.
>
> -- Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Dawson" <MDawson at pdx.edu>
> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
>
>
> > Jesus Christ, Luke. It's against the law to invade another country,
> unless
> > it invades you first. Good Socialist State X would never start a war.
> > Pretty simple.
> >
> > What are you even thinking of? What "insurgency" has ever existed that
> > "needed to be defeated" via war? Let's hear your list.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org
> [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Luke Weiger
> > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:23 PM
> > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> > >
> > > Let's suppose your the leader of Good Socialist State X and determine
> that
> > > an insurgency in some country (let's assume it's like Iraq in most
> every
> > > particular) needs to be defeated. What measures would you employ?
> War's
> > > awful. It's inexcusable when pointless, which appears to be the case
> in
> > > Iraq. That's the real problem.
> > >
> > > -- Luke
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug Henwood" <dhenwood at panix.com>
> > > To: "lbo-talk" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> > >
> > >
> > > > A friend just sent a report from a friend who's just been in
> > > > Fallujah. Horrible stuff. Aside from the usual killing, the Marines
> > > > made a point of wrecking every house they searched, blowing holes in
> > > > every bare wall they could find, and leaving bloody footprints on
> the
> > > > floor of a mosque (where shoes aren't allowed) and shitting there.
> > > > It's not enough to kill people in great quantities, they want to
> > > > humiliate the survivors too.
> > > >
> > > > Doug
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