Though I consider this to be a tangent, I think it's ludicrous to suggest that nations necessarily lack a casus belli for war in the absence of direct provocation. I would've been fine if the Vietnamese communists had taken out the Khmer Rouge, even if there hadn't been a border dispute between the countries.
-- Luke
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Dawson" <MDawson at pdx.edu> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> But that's after Nazi Germany declared war on the U.S. Answer the
question.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org
[mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> > On Behalf Of Luke Weiger
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:56 PM
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> >
> > I don't think it's particularly hard to imagine circumstances in which a
> > relatively benevolent occupying power would have to deal with the
problem
> > of
> > insurgency. Suppose that the Germans had internalized Nazi norms to
such
> > a
> > degree that they were willing to fight for fascism even after the state
> > had
> > collapsed.
> >
> > -- Luke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Dawson" <MDawson at pdx.edu>
> > To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> >
> >
> > > Jesus Christ, Luke. It's against the law to invade another country,
> > unless
> > > it invades you first. Good Socialist State X would never start a war.
> > > Pretty simple.
> > >
> > > What are you even thinking of? What "insurgency" has ever existed
that
> > > "needed to be defeated" via war? Let's hear your list.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org
> > [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Luke Weiger
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:23 PM
> > > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> > > >
> > > > Let's suppose your the leader of Good Socialist State X and
determine
> > that
> > > > an insurgency in some country (let's assume it's like Iraq in most
> > every
> > > > particular) needs to be defeated. What measures would you employ?
> > War's
> > > > awful. It's inexcusable when pointless, which appears to be the
case
> > in
> > > > Iraq. That's the real problem.
> > > >
> > > > -- Luke
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Doug Henwood" <dhenwood at panix.com>
> > > > To: "lbo-talk" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [lbo-talk] more on Fallujah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A friend just sent a report from a friend who's just been in
> > > > > Fallujah. Horrible stuff. Aside from the usual killing, the
Marines
> > > > > made a point of wrecking every house they searched, blowing holes
in
> > > > > every bare wall they could find, and leaving bloody footprints on
> > the
> > > > > floor of a mosque (where shoes aren't allowed) and shitting there.
> > > > > It's not enough to kill people in great quantities, they want to
> > > > > humiliate the survivors too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
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