Eubulides wrote:
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> From: "joanna bujes" <jbujes at covad.net>
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> I'd go one further and say that the "greatest pleasure" is something
> that goes beyond pleasure, beyond the pleasure/pain/numb complex of
> feeling. This state, which is beyond pleasure/pain is referred to by
> many as joy and it is asserted that it is not rooted in any kind of
> prejudiced subjectivity but in a certain quality of awareness.
>
> I would say that some art seeks to cultivate this quality of awareness
> in us -- mostly by allowing us to be attentive to the whole spectrum of
> feeling/memory/paradox attending any event and allowing us to sense how
> we are implicated in all the events we pretend to merely observe.
>
> Joanna
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> And go further still 'beyond' the joy/nonjoy beyond/within complex to
> explore-create yet different awareness of-attentiveness to
> paradox-participation-performance........
>
> Dynamics are more interesting than state[s].
>
> Ian
I think I want to go way backwards on this sub-thread. I find offensive all claims that the subjective states of _some_ people are inferior to the subjective states of _other_ people. This is a profoundly reactionary tendency going back I suppose (like most reactionary tendencies) to Plato.
I personally would dive for the on/off switch if "achy-breaky-heart" (sp?) came over the radio. But as much I personally love Vivaldi's Gloria, I would find it offensive if some one were to write: "Vivaldi's Gloria gives more pleasure than "Achy-breaky-heart."
Carrol