andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> Right, Joahnna, you know I'm a racist . . . . thanks a lot, lady.
No, I don't think you're a racist; but I think you overrate that which advertizes itself as western civ.
>
> I don't know that much anthropology, but I also don't know of any
> tribal/aboriginal society that aspires to anything like the degree of
> human freedom and dignity embodied in liberal ideals. (And rarely
> realized even in part even in those.) It would be surprising if they
> did, those aspirations being a late development of a highly
> articulated modern society. I would be happy to hear counterexamples,
> but it is only a matter of academic interest. Stone-age social
> organization is not a real possibility for us short of atomic or
> ecological catastrophe.
I can't really argue with you until you specify what these aspirations are. Tell me more....
Joanna
>
> jks
>
> joanna bujes <jbujes at covad.net> wrote:
>
> Well, jeez ravi. Certainly it's possible, but they're not white,
> so it
> doesn't count.
>
> Not to mention that they didn't have "theory," so like, if you can't
> write a dissertation about it, it doesn't count.
>
> Joanna
>
> ravi wrote:
>
> >andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >
> >
> >>BM thinds proceduralsim "useless" in preventing persecution and
> >>injustice. That's ridiculous, frankly. Liberal regimes have been the
> >>only societies in human history taht have systematically opposed
> >>persecution and injustice as mater of principle. The ONLY such
> >>societies. They set the standard; no other kind of actually existing
> >>society has ever made social equality, political and civil
> freedom, and
> >>justice its central goals. None.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >i assume you do n! ot list tribal/native/aboriginal and similar
> societies
> >because they are not feasible for large populations? it is
> possible that
> >without notions of principles and goals, some of them may have
> achieved
> >more equality, freedom, etc., than liberal govts.
> >
> > --ravi
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