[lbo-talk] S/M, or Operation Save America

[Yoshie Furuhashi]

>  > But was Hegel qualified to talk about consensual S/M?  Hegel possessed
>>  no knowledge about it, nor (to his credit) did he claim to. Consensual
>>  S/M is the opposite of slavery, in that, unlike in slavery, the bottom
>>  is not enslaved by the top.  S/M is a role-playing game, in which
>>  practitioners freely choose their favorite roles and define rules
>>  together (between S/M partners and within S/M communities).  Slavery,
>>  unlike S/M, wasn't a game, and it insults the enslaved to conflate the
>>  two.
>
>I know what consensual S/M is, but thanks for the education I guess. 
>I  didn't say Hegel was talking about consensual S/M, I said he was 
>talking about the master/slave relationship.
>
>Joanna

Whatever insight into the master/slave relationship Hegel had doesn't 
have anything to do with insight into the relation between two (or 
more) consenting adults who practice S/M, for in the latter the 
bottom is not enslaved by the top, nor does the bottom labor for the 
top in a one-sided fashion, unlike in the master/slave relationship 
that Hegel discussed.

In any case, why turn to a dead man who never said a word about S/M, 
when we have contemporary experts such as Dan Savage who know what 
they are talking about: e.g, 
<http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0424/savage.php>?  Confront the 
real world in the twenty-first century, rather than escape into the 
nineteenth century.
-- 
Yoshie

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