[lbo-talk] Re: gorgeous moscow subway stations

snitsnat snitilicious at tampabay.rr.com
Tue Apr 19 09:27:51 PDT 2005


At 11:26 AM 4/19/2005, Michael Dawson wrote:
> > > No kidding. Several years ago, after visiting the Oregon coast for
> > > the first time - certainly one of the more spectacular bits of
> > > natural beauty in North America - I drove into a convenience store
> > > just a few miles inland. It was made of corrugated tin and looked
> > > like hell. How could people do such a thing?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doug did specifically attribute this to actions of individuals and he was at a loss as to how they could do such a thing.

Further, Carrol called "this" -- the assertion/rhetorical question -- stupid, not Doug.

We have consumption politics and aesthetic politics. Left snobbery at its finest. One thing I know for sure. For years I looked forward to meeting people on the list. After years of reading this sort of thing, I'll pass thank you. I'm sure my Walmart finery wouldn't pass muster.

k


> > >
> >
> > How could they? Instead the prospective owners should have chopped down
> > a couple douglas firs with their little dime-store hatchets, split them
> > into boards with their pen knives, wrapped them together with vines they
> > gathered on the mountain side. This is stupid -- as bad as Tully's
> > statement that we all chooser to be wage-slaves.
> >
> > Carrol
>
>How does somebody with such consistently poor analysis end up being a
>teacher of literature? Tully says workers are their own exploiters. Doug
>says there's crappy architecture all over Oregon. Carrol equates these two
>arguments, and, despite his tiresome objections about being uninterested in
>the qualitative origins of people's ideas, calls Doug "stupid," to boot!
>
>In my kinder moments, I think Carrol's problem is just a severe excess of
>loyalty over thought. At other times, I just think he's a porthole.
>
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