Bob English wrote:
>Further, the fact that Guns and Butter couldnt
>have "rebroadcast (it) on KPFA" because "it"
>doesn't exist, adds another layer of personal
>and intellectual dishonesty and laziness on
I know Sasha and her work, and this is bullshit - there's nothing dishonest or lazy about her. If you're flinging about charges like that, you're not welcome here.
>So there's another aspect that needs to be
>included in this discussion: the discrediting of
>the 9/11 truth movement, 9/11 skeptics and
>researchers (who question the official state
>cover story) by progressives and journalists,
>like Lilley and Norman Solomon, who enjoy
>wearing the mantle of free speech and free
>intellectual inquiry while trashing radicals and
>anyone who questions the Big Lie or exposes
>false flag and other undercover, gangster
>operations of the national security state (1) -
>see notes below.
Wow - an email post with footnotes! You don't see that often. You must be a real serious dude.
> Do I need to note that they join with the Bush
>Administration and right wing in dismissing the
This is typical of your style of argument. If anyone questions your view, they're part of the right wing. Well fuck that. The "9/11 truth movement" is a bag of crap. It brings discredit on actual radicals, progressives, journalists, and researchers. And how can you slide into a rant like this?
> as well as challenges to the origins, nature
>and manipulations of the war on terror - as
>conspiracy theory? If people on the left know
>that the state operates, for instance, to not
>only execute, but also cover up the nature and
>extent of the nuclear devastation of Hiroshima
>and Nagasaki, as weve heard recently on
>"Democracy Now!", why cant they grok
Grok? I haven't heard that word in like 15 years.
> that the state is very capable of perpetrating
>(or being complicit in) the 9/11 events as a
>false flag operation to pave the way and provide
>the political climate and justification for the
>Afghanistan and Iraq invasions/occupations (2)
>and the developing "Homeland" police state?
Thank god you can't hear 9/11 nonsense on Democracy Now! But the nature and extent of the devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't exactly a secret before. A lot of serious scholars have done work trying to suss out the actual motivations for the bombings - whether they were really directed at the USSR in particular. But that's real research, not Hufscmid-style nonsense.
>In this and other respects, were with Joe in
>advocating for unconditional, uncensored and
>inclusive free speech - that is, let everyone,
>including the haters and deceivers, have a say
>to express and expose their views and nature,
>and let the listeners and readers decide whats
>true and mis-represented.
Editorial judgment and discretion isn't the same as censorship.
> And lets evaluate their truth and accuracy on
>the issues currently addressed rather than prior
>statements and shortcomings on other issues.
>So since Hufschmid in particular is targeted
>here by Lilley, were going to take up his 9/11
>viewpoint and contribution. First and without
>going very far into his website statements and
>language and whether or not he qualifies as a
>racist or neo-fascist (3), lets note for a
>moment that he at least claims to be a truth
>seeker with a different view of the Holocaust
>and the concentration camps (which he apparently
>doesn't deny but questions their function as
Ok, so you've revealed yourself as either a crank or worse. Thanks. Bye.