--- ravi <lbo at kreise.org> wrote:
> Doug Henwood wrote:
> > Cseniornyc at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> I don't mind dialoguing with the right wingers,
> but boy, they seem to
> >> be the overwhelming majority here.
> >
> > If you think this list is dominated by
> "right-wingers," your offlist
> > life must be a lot different from mine.
> >
> mp wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, can't stop laughing.
> > Have you ever perused a real right-wing list or
> board?
> >
I may be the in the neighborhood of the closest thing to a real right winger who regularly contributes -- I have two cheers for western liberal democracy, consider myself an American patriot (no ("God Bless America" magnets on the car, but if they made one that said "This Land Belongs To You and Me," I'd use it.), I like markets, I unhappily campaigned for Kerry. I believe that unless you're pretty careful about your proteins a vegetarian diet does stunt your growth (hey, that's just a fact -- though what it has to do with politics I am not clear). I defend big corporations for a living. I am, however, a socialist who wanys to abolsih wage labor, can't abide discrimination on any of the usual laundry list bases, and am a staunch defender of gay and lesbian (etc.) rights. Nathan is probably several steps to ther right of me, he avidly likes the Democratic Party, but he is still (last time I checked) a socialist, I believe. Probbaly neither of us could pass the security clearance for an Asst US Attorney's job, even if we wanted such a thing. Both of us are lawyers.) Let me tell you this is not the profile that you find on the Mises or Hayek lists, much less lower-brow right wing lists.
>
> i dont think mp's response negates csenior's point.
> looking at a
> right-wing list/board only gives one view of
> right-wingers. and then of
> course there is the issue of what is right-wing and
> what is left-wing.
>
> i do not agree that the majority on lbo-talk are
> right-wing -- it is
> trivially untrue since the majority on lbo-talk is
> (by my reckoning)
> just simply silent.
>
> however, to respond to doug's response: indeed my
> life is quite
> different from yours. and often, the right-wingers
> (as per my
> definition) i encounter in my real life are quite
> easy to carry on a
> dialogue with (i even helped run the nj rkba mailing
> list for one of
> them). when i had a motorcycle accident (thanks to a
> democrat mayor who
> illegally turned her cadillac onto me) two of them
> helped transport me
> and the bike back home. [no, gary?, this is not an
> invitation for a
> wisecrack from you! ;-)]
>
> recent material on this list has been interesting:
> the wonders of
> *western* liberal democracy. the shooting of an
> innocent person by the
> british police is an "accident". male feelings of
> impotence as a primary
> cause of the london bombing. alex cockburn's
> highlighting of the other
> side of the "indian [capitalist] miracle" is wrong.
> a while ago we had
> someone express his opinion [of distaste] on a man
> having sex with
> another man. someone else posted recently that a
> vegetarian diet stunts
> growth. etc. etc.
>
> in my case, i am beginning to feel a frustration,
> perhaps similar to
> csenior's, which is more common when debating
> right-wingers.
>
> --ravi
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