Travis
Michael Hirsch wrote:
> Joanna:
>
> What exactly do you support? The ideal of a unitary secular state or
> the reality of a Middle Eastern peace? If I thought for a moment that
> a secular bi-or multi-national state were possible in Palestine, I'd
> jettison any support for a two-state solution. It cannot happen. Not
> in our lifetimes. The author's airy talk about KKK politics is gallery
> rhetoric and beside the point. Populations are routinely routed in
> wars. It's lousy; it must stop. And it's the outcome of military
> conflict, which must stop. Want to make any peace settlement
> contingent on the right of return? Want to resettle the Sudeten
> Germans, too? How about the pro-fascist Crimean Tatars. Or is it just
> the uprooted and oppressed Palestinians who deserve an ancestral
> homeland? Chomsky hasn't become a Zionist cats paw and it's a dumb,
> self-congratulatory if not self-referential argument to say he has. So
> I ask again, what's to agree with?
>
> Mike Hirsch
>
>
> On 12/4/05, *joanna* <123hop at comcast.net <mailto:123hop at comcast.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Really? I agree with him.
>
> Joanna
>
> Michael Pugliese wrote:
>
> > Hilarious!
> >
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >From: John Spritzler <spritzler at comcast.net
> <mailto:spritzler at comcast.net>>
> >Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:59 PM
> >Subject: [anti-allawi-group] The Chomsky vs. Dershowitz debate: both
> >sides were awful!
> >To: anti-allawi-group <anti-allawi-group at yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:anti-allawi-group at yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >I just finished watching a TV broadcast of a Nov. 29, 2005 debate
> >between Noam Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz at the Harvard Kennedy
> School
> >of Government, and it makes me want to throw up!
> >
> >Both celebrity speakers agreed 100% with the Ku Klux Klan idea of
> >racial separation.
> >
> >They both advocated a Jewish state, in which only Jews are the
> >sovereign authority, and in which Jews are made a permanent majority
> >by denying the right of return to millions of non-Jews. They both
> >embrace the Klan idea that racial discrimination against non-Jews
> in a
> >Jewish state is ok so long as the land where the non-Jews are
> >sequestered is called a Palestinian state.
> >
> >Neither man said that, in a region where Jews and non-Jews live
> on top
> >of each other and on top of a single aquifer, there should be a
> single
> >state based on equal rights for Jews and non-Jews. When a person in
> >the audience "accused" Chomsky of wanting a single state solution he
> >adamantly denied it!
> >
> >Dershowitz defended Israel at one point by asserting that the
> obstacle
> >to peace was the refusal of Palestinians to give up their right of
> >return. Instead of defending the right of return and explaining how
> >important it was for Palestinians, Chomsky lamely replied that it was
> >an unimportant isssue.
> >
> >Chomsky and Dershowitz argued passionately, but only about who was to
> >blame for the failure to reach the Ku Klux Klan solution they both
> >embraced.
> >
> >No wonder Harvard University (whose President says that it is
> >anti-semitic to oppose Israel) sponsored this so-called debate. Both
> >sides were equally racist! A real debate would have somebody who
> >agreed with Albert Einstein that there should not be a Jewish
> state in
> >Palestine debate somebody (it could be either Dershowitz OR Chomsky)
> >who would defend the racist idea of a Jewish state and racial
> >separation in Palestine. As is well established (see
> >http://newdemocracyworld.org/israel.htm ) Harvard will not sponsor a
> >real debate because if it did Einstein's position would win.
> >
> >I know some of you love Chomsky, and yes, he has contributed to
> >unmasking many crimes of American leaders, but when it comes to
> >debates like this the man actually HELPS Zionists like Dershowitz by
> >making them look very reasonable. This debate was a huge defeat for
> >equality and democracy in Palestine, and a real coup for the
> Zionists.
> >
> >--John
> >
> > The People As Enemy : The Leaders' Hidden Agenda in World War II
> (Hardcover)
> >by John Spritzler
> >About the Author
> >John Spritzler holds a Doctor of Science degree in Biostatistics from
> >the Harvard School of Public Health where he is employed as a
> Research
> >Scientist engaged in AIDS clinical trials.
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> >by John Spritzler, David Stratman (Paperback - June 15, 2005)
> >--
> >Michael Pugliese
> >
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