What exactly do you support? The ideal of a unitary secular state or the reality of a Middle Eastern peace? If I thought for a moment that a secular bi-or multi-national state were possible in Palestine, I'd jettison any support for a two-state solution. It cannot happen. Not in our lifetimes. The author's airy talk about KKK politics is gallery rhetoric and beside the point. Populations are routinely routed in wars. It's lousy; it must stop.
And it's the outcome of military conflict, which must stop. Want to make any peace settlement contingent on the right of return? Want to resettle the Sudeten Germans, too? How about the pro-fascist Crimean Tatars. Or is it just the uprooted and oppressed Palestinians who deserve an ancestral homeland? Chomsky hasn't become a Zionist cats paw and it's a dumb, self-congratulatory if not self-referential argument to say he has. So I ask again, what's to agree with?
Mike Hirsch
On 12/4/05, joanna <123hop at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Really? I agree with him.
>
> Joanna
>
> Michael Pugliese wrote:
>
> > Hilarious!
> >
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >From: John Spritzler <spritzler at comcast.net>
> >Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:59 PM
> >Subject: [anti-allawi-group] The Chomsky vs. Dershowitz debate: both
> >sides were awful!
> >To: anti-allawi-group <anti-allawi-group at yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >I just finished watching a TV broadcast of a Nov. 29, 2005 debate
> >between Noam Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz at the Harvard Kennedy School
> >of Government, and it makes me want to throw up!
> >
> >Both celebrity speakers agreed 100% with the Ku Klux Klan idea of
> >racial separation.
> >
> >They both advocated a Jewish state, in which only Jews are the
> >sovereign authority, and in which Jews are made a permanent majority
> >by denying the right of return to millions of non-Jews. They both
> >embrace the Klan idea that racial discrimination against non-Jews in a
> >Jewish state is ok so long as the land where the non-Jews are
> >sequestered is called a Palestinian state.
> >
> >Neither man said that, in a region where Jews and non-Jews live on top
> >of each other and on top of a single aquifer, there should be a single
> >state based on equal rights for Jews and non-Jews. When a person in
> >the audience "accused" Chomsky of wanting a single state solution he
> >adamantly denied it!
> >
> >Dershowitz defended Israel at one point by asserting that the obstacle
> >to peace was the refusal of Palestinians to give up their right of
> >return. Instead of defending the right of return and explaining how
> >important it was for Palestinians, Chomsky lamely replied that it was
> >an unimportant isssue.
> >
> >Chomsky and Dershowitz argued passionately, but only about who was to
> >blame for the failure to reach the Ku Klux Klan solution they both
> >embraced.
> >
> >No wonder Harvard University (whose President says that it is
> >anti-semitic to oppose Israel) sponsored this so-called debate. Both
> >sides were equally racist! A real debate would have somebody who
> >agreed with Albert Einstein that there should not be a Jewish state in
> >Palestine debate somebody (it could be either Dershowitz OR Chomsky)
> >who would defend the racist idea of a Jewish state and racial
> >separation in Palestine. As is well established (see
> >http://newdemocracyworld.org/israel.htm ) Harvard will not sponsor a
> >real debate because if it did Einstein's position would win.
> >
> >I know some of you love Chomsky, and yes, he has contributed to
> >unmasking many crimes of American leaders, but when it comes to
> >debates like this the man actually HELPS Zionists like Dershowitz by
> >making them look very reasonable. This debate was a huge defeat for
> >equality and democracy in Palestine, and a real coup for the Zionists.
> >
> >--John
> >
> > The People As Enemy : The Leaders' Hidden Agenda in World War II
> (Hardcover)
> >by John Spritzler
> >About the Author
> >John Spritzler holds a Doctor of Science degree in Biostatistics from
> >the Harvard School of Public Health where he is employed as a Research
> >Scientist engaged in AIDS clinical trials.
> >Black Rose Books (May 15, 2003)
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> > * Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire by Niall
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> >
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> > On the Public Agenda : Essays for Change
> >by John Spritzler, David Stratman (Paperback - June 15, 2005)
> >--
> >Michael Pugliese
> >
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