[lbo-talk] Re: The Chomsky vs. Dershowitz debate: both sides were awful!

Travis Fast tfast at yorku.ca
Sun Dec 4 23:23:13 PST 2005


Joanna, I agree with the principles of what you have written but it would be a cold day in hell before the power bloc would contemplate a single state even sans US funding. Perhaps after two decades of sanctions like the south African case would change their minds but there does not seem to be any unified stomach for this on the part of the international community. So Chomsky's recognition of this is different from Dershowitz' celebration. Lumping Chomsky in with the KKK is just nonsense.

Travis

joanna wrote:


>
> I support a unitary secular state. I think this becomes much more
> realistic when the economic and military support for Israel by the
> U.S. comes to an end. I think the uprooted and oppressed Palestinians
> deserve full citizenship in a Palestine that includes both former
> Israelis and Palestinians. They also deserve reparations on the scale
> that the Jews received following WWII. Those reparations to be paid by
> the U.S. and Israel. That's what I support.
>
> The reality of a Middle Eastern peace will not happen so long as the
> Zionist, blood-based state of Israel continues. (Oh, and in case we
> need to establish credentials, I am the daughter of a Jew who was in a
> labor camp, lost his entire (and considerable) family fortune to the
> nazis, and I have relatives who live in Israel.)
>
> Joanna
>
> Michael Hirsch wrote:
>
>> Joanna:
>>
>> What exactly do you support? The ideal of a unitary secular state or
>> the reality of a Middle Eastern peace? If I thought for a moment that
>> a secular bi-or multi-national state were possible in Palestine, I'd
>> jettison any support for a two-state solution. It cannot happen. Not
>> in our lifetimes. The author's airy talk about KKK politics is
>> gallery rhetoric and beside the point. Populations are routinely
>> routed in wars. It's lousy; it must stop. And it's the outcome of
>> military conflict, which must stop. Want to make any peace settlement
>> contingent on the right of return? Want to resettle the Sudeten
>> Germans, too? How about the pro-fascist Crimean Tatars. Or is it just
>> the uprooted and oppressed Palestinians who deserve an ancestral
>> homeland? Chomsky hasn't become a Zionist cats paw and it's a dumb,
>> self-congratulatory if not self-referential argument to say he has.
>> So I ask again, what's to agree with?
>>
>> Mike Hirsch
>>
>
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