[lbo-talk] Lying vs. conscious deception

Michael Pollak mpollak at panix.com
Thu Dec 8 12:03:07 PST 2005


Condi's comments in Europe yesterday are a perfect illustration of the difference between conscious deception and lying -- and why the former is *worse* because it shows so clearly how deliberate their intention to deceive is.

So when people say -- often justifiably -- that the administration isn't lying, it's not a defense. A conscious deception that isn't a lie is worse than a lie because it so clearly is policy and isn't a mistake.

As to the yesterday's thing, it's amazing how many papers of record and spokesmen both her and and Europe were taken in by what Condi said -- not only the WP but also today's FT and lots of public officials on both sides of the pond. (Although with the public official it's not always clear. Some might possibly be misinterpreting on purpose.)

The best parsing I've found is by Eric Umansky of Slate's Today's papers:

http://www.slate.com/id/2131863/

<excerpt>

The Washington Post fronts the shooting but deems Secretary of State

Rice's latest, and deeply ambiguous, comments on the U.S.'s treatment

of detainees lead-worthy. Said Rice: "The United States' obligations

under the CAT (Convention Against Torture), which prohibits cruel,

inhumane and degrading treatment, those obligations extend to U.S.

personnel wherever they are, whether they are in the United States or

outside of the United States."

The Post is alone in asserting that Rice's comments herald a

significant change. Here's how the WP's coverage begins:

<inner quote>

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that the United

States prohibits all its personnel from using cruel or inhuman

techniques in prisoner interrogations, whether inside or outside

U.S. borders. Previous public statements by the Bush administration

have asserted that the ban did not apply abroad.

<end inner quote>

That is obviously what Rice wanted people to hear--that U.S. personnel

are prohibited from engaging in "cruel, inhumane and degrading

treatment" anywhere. But it is not what she said.

http://www.ericumansky.com/2005/12/torture_policy__2.html

Here's the out: While Rice asserted that the U.S. abides by the

"obligations" of the

anti-torture treaty across the globe, the administration's legal

position is that those "obligations" don't extend to the treatment of

foreigners being held overseas. In other words, according to the

administration's long-standing legal position, CIA interrogators in,

say, secret prisons in North Africa aren't bound to treat foreign

prisoners humanely.

The Post wasn't the only one to have a tough time getting a read of

Rice's circumlocutions. Her underlings did, too. "State Department

officials" in the NYT talked up her comments as "an important policy

statement," with one adding that it was "a change" in policy. One of

those "officials" might want to poke their head out of the door and

chat with the State Department spokesman who, according to the LAT,

insisted that Rice's comments simply reiterated what has already "been

the U.S. policy."

<end excerpt>

More detail:

http://www.ericumansky.com/2005/12/torture_policy__2.html

Michael



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