[lbo-talk] poverty draft

J. Tyler jptyler at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 19 08:14:12 PST 2005


Since when did there become no victims in this world? Most people are indeed victims, of environments, conditions, and circumstances intentionally created and maintained by more powerful people, past and present. If there are no victims, then there are no oppressors or perpetrators. And if there are no oppressors or perpetrators, I have no need to be politically (and certainly not class) conscious and might as well spend my time watching Nanny 911 since all is well and right in the world, with the exception of those bratty kids.

I have no qualms about saying I stand up for victims as against our victimizers. What is gained by denying that people are injured by the actions of others in real and measurable ways? Whose agenda does that advance?

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>From: joanna <123hop at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 19, 2005 9:51 AM
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] poverty draft
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>Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
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>> This crowd is a small part of a much bigger problem of the intellectual
>>poverty of the left nowadays that seems incapable of making any political
>>argument without having a victim do defend. If they cannot find any, they
>>will manufacture one. They seem to have given up on the idea of presenting
>>an argumewnt capable of competing with the neo-liberal alternative for the
>>"hearts and minds" of themaionstream population, but instead resigned
>>themselves to appeals to pity - and for that they need victims.
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>Beg to disagree. Victim rhetoric is pretty much universal by now --
>successfully used by the Right, beginning with Bakke and ending with
>Iraq war, which had to be entirely cast in victim rather than imperial
>rhetoric. We're not there the way the Brits were there at the end of the
>nineteenth century -- to sieze what rightfully belonged to the empire.
>We're there to protect the U.S. and the world from terrorism and WMD.
>Victim rhetoric is the foundation of every right-wing rant and every
>"Xtian" reaction.
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>Though I agree that the Left would win hearts and minds if it gave it up
>first.
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>Joanna
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