[lbo-talk] Evolutionary theory is tautological

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Thu Dec 22 09:30:08 PST 2005


Chris Doss

Note that the fifth proof (and modern ID concepts _and_ mechanistic ideas of evolution presuppose that the only ways you can get order out of chaos are either an intelligent designer or some chance mechanism. It presupposes a mechanistic, dead universe. This is a very Christian and post-Christian notion alien to the pre-Christian world, where you have self-guided forms bursting out all over the place.

Heidegger talked about this kind of thing a lot.

^^^^ CB: To play the Devil's advocate to Aquinas' advocacy for God, dialectical materialism _a posteriori_ ( not presupposes) , not a dead , mechanistic universe, but a moving, dialectical universe. There is nothing but matter and its mode of existence is _motion_ (i.e. ,not dead). So, there is matter, substance, not form; yes, perhaps "bursting" all over the place. "Self-guided" in the sense that the motion follows laws or patterns that can be discovered.



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