--- boddi satva <lbo.boddi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Uh, Hello?
>
> Andie or JKS or whoever wrote that what I said was
>
> "false insofar as it implies that gravity is a
> force,
> and misleading insofar as ut suggests that "forces"
> are specially associated woth aprticles.
> Electromagetic radiation is not a force but it is
> certainly associated with a wide range of particles
> (photons, electrons, etc.). Some forces are not
> associated with any particles at all, but that is
> beside the point"
>
> Uh, Hello? Quantum Electro-Dynamics, Quantum
> Chromo-Dynamics, anyone?
>
> Photons are the sole **mediating** particle of the
> electro-magnetic
> force. Electro-magnetic forces are mediated by the
> exchange of
> photons, weak forces by intermediate bosons (W+, W-,
> and Z0) and
> strong forces by gluons, of which there are 8 kinds.
>
> Gravitons would complete that picture if they could
> be proved to
> exist. Indeed many physicists simply assume they do
> exist.
>
> I'm sorry to rock your boat but the whole thing
> about the uncertainty
> principle is that it shows that the universe does
> not simply act
> according to space-time "geomotery". Particles can
> violate space-time
> geometry - pass through barriers as if they don't
> exist, occupy more
> than one line of travel in the same moment, move
> faster than the speed
> of light - because of their probabilistic and not
> deterministic
> existence.
>
> Saying we know the mechanism of gravity is like
> saying that because
> you know the path and speed a car will travel you
> know what kind of
> engine it has. We have not been able to look "under
> the hood" of
> gravity yet.
>
> By the way, the reason that "survival of the
> fittest" seems
> "tautological" to people is that it is an iterative
> process. You also
> can't really give it an absolute direction only a
> relative direction.
> It seems, in general, to favor organisms with more
> and more genetic
> instructions in their cells but viruses and
> retroviruses may have
> something to say about that.
>
> Because we all are taught to favor hierarchical
> causalities,
> iterative, probabilistic processes without clear
> direction are hard to
> accept mentally.
>
>
> boddi
>
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