Possibly I misunderstood it.
boddi
On 12/24/05, andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't lecture me on my mental limitaions about my
> inability to accept a probablistic universe. This
> discussion has gone far enough, or if it continues, it
> will continue without me. Happy holidays, everybody.
>
> --- boddi satva <lbo.boddi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Uh, Hello?
> >
> > Andie or JKS or whoever wrote that what I said was
> >
> > "false insofar as it implies that gravity is a
> > force,
> > and misleading insofar as ut suggests that "forces"
> > are specially associated woth aprticles.
> > Electromagetic radiation is not a force but it is
> > certainly associated with a wide range of particles
> > (photons, electrons, etc.). Some forces are not
> > associated with any particles at all, but that is
> > beside the point"
> >
> > Uh, Hello? Quantum Electro-Dynamics, Quantum
> > Chromo-Dynamics, anyone?
> >
> > Photons are the sole **mediating** particle of the
> > electro-magnetic
> > force. Electro-magnetic forces are mediated by the
> > exchange of
> > photons, weak forces by intermediate bosons (W+, W-,
> > and Z0) and
> > strong forces by gluons, of which there are 8 kinds.
> >
> > Gravitons would complete that picture if they could
> > be proved to
> > exist. Indeed many physicists simply assume they do
> > exist.
> >
> > I'm sorry to rock your boat but the whole thing
> > about the uncertainty
> > principle is that it shows that the universe does
> > not simply act
> > according to space-time "geomotery". Particles can
> > violate space-time
> > geometry - pass through barriers as if they don't
> > exist, occupy more
> > than one line of travel in the same moment, move
> > faster than the speed
> > of light - because of their probabilistic and not
> > deterministic
> > existence.
> >
> > Saying we know the mechanism of gravity is like
> > saying that because
> > you know the path and speed a car will travel you
> > know what kind of
> > engine it has. We have not been able to look "under
> > the hood" of
> > gravity yet.
> >
> > By the way, the reason that "survival of the
> > fittest" seems
> > "tautological" to people is that it is an iterative
> > process. You also
> > can't really give it an absolute direction only a
> > relative direction.
> > It seems, in general, to favor organisms with more
> > and more genetic
> > instructions in their cells but viruses and
> > retroviruses may have
> > something to say about that.
> >
> > Because we all are taught to favor hierarchical
> > causalities,
> > iterative, probabilistic processes without clear
> > direction are hard to
> > accept mentally.
> >
> >
> > boddi
> >
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