I know Ted is going to make a statement now.
Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Meyers" <leighcmeyers at yahoo.com> To: "leigh_m" <leigh_m at sbcglobal.net>; "lbo-talk" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] SPIEGEL on Dresden
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wojtek Sokolowski
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] SPIEGEL on Dresden
>
>> SPIEGEL ONLINE
>>
>> The Destruction of Dresden:
>> A Multimedia Overview of the Firestorm
>>
>
> <...>
> Is there a rational position on this issue other than the trite anti-war
> slogans? I do not think so, but then again, humans are not rational (at
> least not fully) and the only rational thing is to accept that.
>
> Wojtek
> <...>
>
>
> Rational? Look at the people who think these events
> can be classified 'rationally' Eichman thought so...
> So did Robert "Stranglove" McNamara.
>
> Very calculating, rational people.
> Well respected men.
>
>
> The only truly rational thing to do is keep storming the walls.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,2763,1415031,00.html
> McLibel Two win legal aid case
> Tuesday February 15, 2005
>
> Two campaigners known as the "McLibel Two" should have been given
> legal aid by the British government to defend themselves against a
> libel action by the food giant McDonald's, Europe's highest court ruled
> today.
>
> The ruling by the European court of human rights is a huge victory for
> the pair, David Morris and Helen Steel, and a pleasing end for them to
> the 15-year McLibel saga. It is being scrutinised by the government,
> which may now be forced to change the libel laws. Campaign groups
> welcomed today's verdict.
>
> The McLibel Two lost a libel case against McDonald's in 1997, in which
> the relatively penniless environmental activists famously represented
> themselves against the firm's expensive lawyers. The firm had sued them
> for libel because of leaflets the two Londoners had distributed, but
> not written, entitled: "What's Wrong with McDonald's".
> <...>
>
> Earlier, speaking ahead of the outcome, Mr Morris told the BBC Radio 4
> Today programme that he still had concerns about McDonald's. He said:
> "I don't think they can change because they are an institution that exists
> to
> make profits and to increase their power.
>
> " We can see the effects of not just what McDonald's is doing but
> what all multinationals are doing to our planet. We believe there's an
> alternative where people and communities have control over
> decision-making and resources."
> <...>
>
>
> [Letter to SPIEGEL... on Dresden.]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leigh Meyers
> To: spon_feedback at spiegel.de
> Cc: spon_leserbriefe at spiegel.de
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:01 AM
> Subject:
> Feedback+SPIEGEL's+Daily+Take:+Dresden+Remembers,+Neo-Nazis+Suffer+Bad+Amnesia+(ID:+341717)
>
>
> ~
>
> "The loonies accuse the Allies of having committed "war crimes" in Dresden
> and propagate propaganda from the National Socialist era that at least
> 200,000 were
> killed in the fire bombing. Serious scientific investigations have
> concluded that a
> total of 35,000. Now that's what we call fuzzy math."
>
>
> Hello,
>
> General Curtis LeMay and friends carefully studied the outcome
> of standardized ratio of kills per ton, and decided it would work
> quite well in Vietnam as well.
>
> The type of math used to calculate the atrocities of Vietnam, Iraq,
> World War II... is a dysfunctional math that provides no solutions.
>
> No matter who does the calculating, the results are fatally flawed.
>
> Leigh Meyers
> leighcmeyers at yahoo.com
> ~~~~~
>
>
> We all need to give serious consideration to the possibility that
> you can't really have a rational discussion with people that talk
> about these issues with clinical detachment.
>
> Perhaps a myopic, single-mind focused world view mimics
> certain behavioral patterns that resemble, or we have been
> taught to believe, is rationality.
>
> <...>
> April-May 1972 White House transcripts of Richard Nixon
> talking to Henry Kissinger about "this shit-ass little country":
>
> NIXON: We've got to be thinking in terms of an all-out bombing attack....
> I'm thinking of the dikes.
>
> KISSINGER: I agree with you.
>
> NIXON: ...Will that drown people?
>
> KISSINGER: About two hundred thousand people."
> <...>
> Tom Hayden, The Nation March 8, 2004
> http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/18052
> =========
>
> Take it easy... But take it.
> L
>
>
>
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