[lbo-talk] Missing the Marx

Mike Ballard swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au
Mon Jan 3 17:41:23 PST 2005


andie nachgeborenen wrote:


>If we agree on that, "we are all market socialists."

I'll say it once more and then resign from this debate. The politically relevant question in the here & now is how we can get more planning and less market. It's the only way we'll ever get the poorest decently fed and housed, how we'll get all of us health insurance, and how we'll get beyond a petroleum-based energy system. Real-world markets in housing, health care, and energy are failing very badly.

Doug

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I'd say we do that by getting workers to realize that they're socially creating all the wealth from nature and that the people who rule are only in it for the money--the money they get from selling the social product of our labour.

Meanwhile, markets for commodities are changing nature in ways which we don't completely understand yet. Apparently grass is now growing year 'round in Antarctica for the first time in 10,000 years. The not so invisible hand is wrecking the planet.

See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1415627,00.html

The times are for changin', Mike B)

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