[lbo-talk] Re: conspiracy

Chip Berlet c.berlet at publiceye.org
Fri Jan 14 07:37:28 PST 2005


Hi,

Actually, I am with Kelley on this one.

This type of operation is not unusual in hardball politics. Remember the manipulation of Ed Muskie?

The wikipedia entries on Conspiracy Theory and Conspiracism are actually useful. (OK. I wrote the one on Conspiracism).

Conspiracy Theory

"A conspiracy theory is a theory that defies common historical or current understanding of events, under the claim that those events are the result of manipulations by two or more individuals or various secretive powers or conspiracies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Conspiracism

According to Mintz, "conspiracism" denotes "belief in the primacy of conspiracies in the unfolding of history" (1985: 4).

"Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology" (1985: 199).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracism

-Chip

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From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org on behalf of snit snat Sent: Fri 1/14/2005 1:19 AM To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org; lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Re: conspiracy

At 01:06 AM 1/14/2005, frank scott wrote:


>"...The republicans put effort into getting Kerry nominated by
>influencing the NH
>primary and Iowa caucus. Rove supposedly sent out a memo asking
>republicans
>to participate in the primary and caucus. Kerry was their pick precisely
>
>because he was an Urban Liberal. He was also a weak candidate because he
>
>was a Sen. and Senators have voting records that are, just as it turned
>out, contradictory..."
>
>sorry, but that sounds like 911 conspiracy stuff..."they" arranged
>everything...
>
>like democrats aren't stupid enogh to pick a loser? did karl rove
>arrange for walter mondale? dukakis?
>
>fs

I'll be happy to send you his e-mail address. He worked with Reagan and was important to the Dole campaign. This year, he spent his time in Winsconsin canvassing for the Republicans. The practice of participating in the caucuses and primaries is nothing new and, indeed, if you look around there are news stories about it.

Finally, this bullshit about calling everything a conspiracy theory is...well...bullshit.

When parties strategize, they also think about who their favorite opponent is.

People do sit around in smoke filled rooms and make plans. THAT is not conspiracy theorizing. It's a fact. Just as democrats plotted ways to get rid of Ralph. Just as republicans plotted ways to help Ralph.

Can we have some sort of FAQ about conpiracy theory and its definition so we can post it every time someone uses it as a substanceless slam.

Kelley

"We live under the Confederacy. We're a podunk bunch of swaggering pious hicks."

--Bruce Sterling

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