Joe W: by this defintion the entire ABB movement was 'conspiracist'.
>From: "Chip Berlet" <c.berlet at publiceye.org>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: conspiracy
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:37:28 -0500
>
>Hi,
>
>Actually, I am with Kelley on this one.
>
>This type of operation is not unusual in hardball politics. Remember the
>manipulation of Ed Muskie?
>
>The wikipedia entries on Conspiracy Theory and Conspiracism are actually
>useful. (OK. I wrote the one on Conspiracism).
>
>Conspiracy Theory
>
>"A conspiracy theory is a theory that defies common historical or current
>understanding of events, under the claim that those events are the result
>of manipulations by two or more individuals or various secretive powers or
>conspiracies."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
>
>Conspiracism
>
>According to Mintz, "conspiracism" denotes "belief in the primacy of
>conspiracies in the unfolding of history" (1985: 4).
>
>"Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in
>America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and
>social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular
>action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy
>theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology" (1985: 199).
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracism
>
>-Chip
>
>________________________________
>
>From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org on behalf of snit snat
>Sent: Fri 1/14/2005 1:19 AM
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org; lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Re: conspiracy
>
>At 01:06 AM 1/14/2005, frank scott wrote:
>
> >"...The republicans put effort into getting Kerry nominated by
> >influencing the NH
> >primary and Iowa caucus. Rove supposedly sent out a memo asking
> >republicans
> >to participate in the primary and caucus. Kerry was their pick precisely
> >
> >because he was an Urban Liberal. He was also a weak candidate because he
> >
> >was a Sen. and Senators have voting records that are, just as it turned
> >out, contradictory..."
> >
> >sorry, but that sounds like 911 conspiracy stuff..."they" arranged
> >everything...
> >
> >like democrats aren't stupid enogh to pick a loser? did karl rove
> >arrange for walter mondale? dukakis?
> >
> >fs
>
>I'll be happy to send you his e-mail address. He worked with Reagan and was
>important to the Dole campaign. This year, he spent his time in Winsconsin
>canvassing for the Republicans. The practice of participating in the
>caucuses and primaries is nothing new and, indeed, if you look around there
>are news stories about it.
>
>Finally, this bullshit about calling everything a conspiracy theory
>is...well...bullshit.
>
>When parties strategize, they also think about who their favorite opponent
>is.
>
>People do sit around in smoke filled rooms and make plans. THAT is not
>conspiracy theorizing. It's a fact. Just as democrats plotted ways to get
>rid of Ralph. Just as republicans plotted ways to help Ralph.
>
>Can we have some sort of FAQ about conpiracy theory and its definition so
>we can post it every time someone uses it as a substanceless slam.
>
>Kelley
>
>
>"We live under the Confederacy.
>We're a podunk bunch of swaggering
>pious hicks."
>
> --Bruce Sterling
>
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