>Brian Charles Dauth:
>
>> But John L wants to claim that one identity trumps
>> all others: union member.
>
>Not true at ALL. You are not engaging what I said at all.
>
>
>> John L. reduces everything to "the union is right
>> every time."
>
>Brian, I'm sorry, but you're completely full of shit. I did not say anything
>like this. Learn to read.
>
>
>> Under John L's method, it is support no matter what --
>> union uber alles. There is no incentive for the union to
>> change since John L. grants them carte blanche.
>
>You're being incredibly disingenuous. I did not "grant them carte
>blanche" -- save when they struggle against the boss for better conditions.
>You know, of course, that I also grant bourgeois gay-rights outfits like the
>HRC carte blanche against creeps like Rick Santorum. Nowhere does this
>exempt them from criticism or even attack when they do something
>reactionary. I don't know how much longer I will have to repeat myself
>before you stop setting up these ridiculous straw men.
>
>
>> My disagreement with Pope John is that instead of
>> seizing this moment and turning capitalism's decay to
>> labor's advantage, he would rather continue pursuing
>> outmoded, archaic strategies, thereby allowing
>> capitalism time to adapt to its decay and turn these
>> multiplying identities to its benefit. A new collective is
>> waiting to be born, but it is one that will be based on
>> very different principles than previous ones.
>
>What the fuck are you talking about?
>
>This is complete gibberish. What "very different principles" do you refer
>to? I've seen nothing in the way of concrete proposals for these new
>"principles" from you, except for two things: (1) you've effectively said
>that electricians in Massachusetts -- including queer union members --
>deserve to get screwed out of their wages, pensions, and job security
>because their union leadership took a reactionary position on queer
>liberation, and (2) that if the HRC ends up in the lead of the movement for
>gay marriage, then queer people deserve their continued oppression at the
>hands of the likes of Rick Santorum, because they let a bunch of
>unprincipled hacks lead them.
>
>If these are your new principles, give me the old ones any day.
>
>
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