--- Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>
> > Doesn't there have to bne some further condition
> that
> > the beliefs that are core to the identification
> can't
> > be based on manifestly and provably false
> assumptions
> > for the group to be "real"?
>
> Most people in our society conceptualize racial
> groups
> in the U. S. as genetically distinct subgroups.
> This is
> is manifestly and provably false (ask any population
> geneticist!). Does this mean that racial groups in
> the
> U. S. are not "real"?
>
> The existence of social groups is not contingent
> upon
> scientific logic and evidence; we need only have
> a social consensus that group X exists for that
> consensus
> to have real social consequences (discrimination,
> legal
> rights, access to resources).
>
> Miles
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