[lbo-talk] nuts watching nuts (smashing windows)

Leigh Meyers leighcmeyers at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 11:18:08 PDT 2005


On Monday, July 11, 2005 11:01 AM [PDT], Chuck0 <chuck at mutualaid.org> wrote:


> Leigh Meyers wrote:
>
>> By the time "days of rage" happened the "radical anarchist student"
>> left was thoroughly infiltrated... The "orangutans" of which you
>> speak were pretty typically informers and provocateurs...
>> Occasionally outrage on the part of someone for something that had
>> just happened to a friend or somesuch, did occur... I know, that's
>> why those mounted cops were chasing me across central park.
>>
>> But premeditated window smashing et al?
>>
>> Q: Which police agency do you work for?
>> (not you chuck0)
>
> Pretty ridiculous garbage. The police really don't use agent
> provocateurs in activist movements. This idea that the cops use agent
> provocateurs is a fantasy spread by people with little working
> understanding of activism and radical movements. When cops infiltrate
> our groups they almost always focus on gathering information.
>
> If any of you refuse to believe me, I'll cite a new article by two
> cops which explains what they've tried to do vis a vis radical
> activism.
>
> Yes, there is pre-meditated window smashing. Often windows are smashed
> on the spur of the moment (and not just by "rebellious youth). I can
> think of one occasion where an undercover cop smashed a window during
> a black bloc march. The funny thing was that the rest of the bloc
> ignored this and continued with their march.
>
> Chuck
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One name I know: George Demmerle, infiltrated an org in NY back in the 60s... he called himself "prince crazy". Wildest one in the group.

(but NOT the group "charismatic leader")

Melville pleaded guilty to Federal bomb conspiracy and state arson charges, and was sentenced to 18 years. In September 1971, he was killed in the Attica Prison Uprising. Jane Alpert pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of conspiracy to destroy government property. Before sentencing, she went underground, reemerging on November 14, 1974, and eventually serving two years in prison. George Demmerle pocketed a $25,000 reward from Marine Midland Bank and disappeared.

http://members.tripod.com/Fighting9th/History24.htm

There was also one NYC patrolman, an fbi informant, and the group's photographer... a freelance John Bircher.


> If any of you refuse to believe me, I'll cite a new article by two
> cops which explains what they've tried to do vis a vis radical
> activism.
>

Yea. I know street people that ask the police for legal advice too. They're under no obligation to give good legal advice either.

You are very naive.

Leigh http://www.leighm.net



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