> > From: frank scott <frank at marin.cc.ca.us>
>> >"Weren't many religious Jews opposed to the foundation
>> >of Israel, arguing that it preempted the Messiah?"
>> >
>> indeed...the state of israel is seen as a sin against "g'd" by some,
>> especially the neturei karta...
>>
>> they're the the wonderful folks who would often be photographed with
>> arafat...the sight of these orthodox jews with their long black coats,
>> black hats and long sideburns (peyot?), arm and arm and smiling with
>> yassir the fiend, would drive many "secular" jews up the wall...
>>
>> you know, the ones, from forest hills, the west side, paris...
>
>I'm not sure why you put "secular" in quotes, but judging by your
>other comment:
>http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050725/015869.html
>
>you have some real problems with the term. I suggest that you
>let other people define themselves how they like, and if you don't understand
>it, that is your problem. There are many different aspects to secular
>judaism, with lots of internal contradictions and different political views.
>I'm happy to define myself as a secular Jew, as would I think my family
>members in Forest Hills and Manhattan. You should not make any assumptions
>about how their politics (or mine) follow from this self-identification.
Oh, but fs knows. He knows all. He knows people better than they know themselves. And he knows what's good for them. You don't even have to ask him - he'll volunteer the information.
Doug