[lbo-talk] 'bogus' WTC Collapse story

Joseph Wanzala jwanzala at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 15 07:56:03 PDT 2005


Paul,

this New York Times article does not prove anything one way or the other. If people want to assume that the position of the fuel tanks caused the fires - without any scientific proof - that is fine, but the New York Times did not do a forensic investigation and the article is not inconsistent with the conclusion of the FEMA report which (again) states:

'The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.'

If you look at the footage of the WTC 7 collapse, the building is not engulfed in flames, it is difficult to tell how much of the smoke surrounding it comes from WTC 1 & 2. WTC7 fell into its own footprint in a precisely vertical fashion. It looked exactly like a standard controlled demolition. There might be a good explanation for that, but absent a proper investigation, all views are just speculation.

Anyway, the key point of the original article was not about the physical evidence, but the fact that a top former Bush adminsitration official is taking the position that 9-11 was an 'inside job' - that is what was 'news'.

Joe W.


>From: Paul <paul_ at igc.org>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] 'bogus' WTC Collapse story
>Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:30:32 -0400
>
>Yes, people were annoyed at the flagrant way the FEMA report swept the
>Guliani issue under the carpet (of course the champion for perniciousness
>was the EPA reporting). But to come back to the point, here is one example
>of hundreds of the widespread knowledge of Number 7 World Trade Center.
>This fellow only had to use google!
>
>NY TIMES 12/20/2001 City Had Been Warned of Fuel Tank at 7 World Trade
>Center
>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F3081FFC3B5A0C738EDDAB0994D9404482&incamp=archive:search
>
>"Fire Department officials warned the city and the Port Authority of New
>York and New Jersey in 1998 and 1999 that a giant diesel fuel tank for the
>mayor's $13 million command bunker in 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story
>high-rise that burned and collapsed on Sept. 11, posed a hazard and was not
>consistent with city fire codes. The 6,000-gallon tank was positioned about
>15 feet above the ground floor and near several lobby elevators and was
>meant to fuel generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd-floor
>bunker in the event of a power failure. Although the city made some design
>changes to address the concerns - moving a fuel pipe that would have run
>from the tank up an elevator shaft, for example - it left the tank in
>place. But the Fire Department repeatedly warned that a tank in that
>position could spread fumes throughout the building if it leaked, or, if it
>caught fire, could produce what one Fire Department memorandum called
>"disaster."
>
>
>
>
>
>Joseph W. writes:
>>In fact:
>>What did the government do to investigate the unprecedented collapse of a
>>steel frame building from fires? It gave FEMA the sole discretion to
>>investigate the collapse, even though FEMA is not an investigative agency.
>>
>>FEMA's BPAT, the only official organization that reported on Building 7's
>>collapse, was completely indecisive. Their report stated:
>>
>>'The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to
>>collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on
>>the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has
>>only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and
>>analyses are needed to resolve this issue.'
>>
>>The report was published in May of 2002, just after the last building
>>remains had been scrubbed from Ground Zero.
>
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