[lbo-talk] Gulag thing - Chris is on to something (if by accident)

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 24 14:42:31 PDT 2005


What do you think will unite the Russians, Tatars, Ingush, etc as a 'national' unity?

Ty menya ochen razosil.

--- Peter Lavelle <untimely_thoughts at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Go to sleep Chris.......
>
> --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > BTW, with respect to a previous post, what do you
> > think "Russian nationalism" means nowadays? I like
> > to
> > distinguish between "russkii natsionalizm" and
> > "rosiisskii nationalizm" (for non-Russophones, the
> > Russian language differentiates between ethnic
> > Russians -- russkii -- and peoples of Russia --
> > rosiisskii -- since Russia actually contains over
> > 150
> > different peoples and languages, of which ethnic
> > Russians are only 80%, the rest being Tatars,
> > Chuvash,
> > Ossetes, Avars, Chechens, Ingush, Chukchi,
> Cossacks,
> > Yakuts etc). Clearly ethnicity or something like
> > Orthodoxy can't count (once again for
> > non-Russophones,
> > the indigenous Russian religions are Orthodoxy,
> > Islam,
> > Judaism, Buddhism and various forms of shamanism
> > practiced by Siberian peoples).
> >
> > --- Peter Lavelle <untimely_thoughts at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chris, I think you broach an accidental
> > breakthrough
> > > of sorts:
> > >
> > > "Solzhenitsyn is a Russian nationalist and a
> > > Slavophile (in addition to being a great man
> > > although
> > > I
> > > disagree with him 75% of the time). I doubt he
> > > thinks
> > > of himself as a "Western thinker.""
> > >
> > > Ditto, ditto and ditto.
> > >
> > > However, is it possible that there a different
> > > paradigm
> > > in play? Instead of accepting the Western
> > experience
> > > lock-stock-and barrel, shouldn't we be hoping
> and
> > > expecting for (finally) a contemporary Russian
> > > version
> > > of Western liberalism? Clearly Solzhenitsyn is a
> > > strange midwife for this (ref to Joanna's recent
> > > post), but....
> > >
> > > I think, and call me crazy on this list, this is
> > > what
> > > Putin and Putinism is all about.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Solzhenitsyn is a Russian nationalist and a
> > > > Slavophile
> > > > (in addition to being a great man although I
> > > > disagree
> > > > with him 75% of the time). I doubt he thinks
> of
> > > > himself as a "Western thinker."
> > > >
> > > > Nu, zayats, pogodi!
> > > >
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